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Matilah_Singapura



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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck society and fuck the state. Fuck anyone who tells you what you should be or when you are too old. Twisted Evil

EVERYBODY gets older and eventually gets too old to work, then dies (unless one dies young of course)

But who's to tell you you're too old to do anything? What? Give someone else the pleasure of zapping your "power" and make you feel like shit. No way.

Try telling this "apek" he's "too old":

Clarence Bass - 65, Max heart rate: 190 (that of a fit 30 year old)

Ah... like anything of value, it comes with a price. Individualism is a beautiful thing... because you can choose how much you are willing to pay. And you always get what you pay for.

Life, is a free market. The first thing to go when one ages, is not the mind, but the body. Even in Asian culture, there is ANCIENT "technology" to help keep the ravages of time at bay: yoga, taichi, shaolin, Chinese Traditional Medicine, Ayuveda etc.

It is of course possible to be "old" at 55. Or even 35. And one has to accept one's genetic makeup. But there's no reason not to improve the quality of one's existence - regardless of age.
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fairness in treating the people fairly, allowing people to have a decent means of livelihood, choosing whatever profession they are comfortable with. Not everyone can become a prime minister or an engineer. There will be people who are good enough as a driver or as a hawker or an insurance agent.

The govt has a responsibility to create jobs at all levels for the people. The last thing the govt should do is to destroy jobs.

Jackson Tai and Tan Kin Lian have openly criticised the lack of a level playing field and big organisations like banks could muscle their way and destroy jobs of self employed. Unfair competition at all levels must be stopped. And decision makers must be genuine and sincere and not say one thing and do another, adopting unfair methods while putting up a front of fairness.

The earlier the unfair trading acts or fair competition acts be introduced the better for the smaller guys. There is a need to hang a few heads to ensure a level playing field for all and sundry.

The govt should free up the market and allow the proliferation of individual enterprises to grow, allow more free wheelings and dealings, setting the people free to put their talents to the fullest to help themselves. No need or lesser comcare or charity from the govt.
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First you say the govt has a responsibility to get people jobs...

...then you say the govt should free up the market.

Hey, man make up your mind lah!

So, whatever happened to "personal responsibility"? Gone? Become like Bumi-land, where the govt helps a special class of people, by penalising other classes.

You want govt-generated class warfare in S'pore?
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though I may be critical and cynical of some of the things being done in the present system, I must say that the system is fairly sound. There are areas which I would agree with you that govt interference should be reduced or removed.

Comparatively, we have a pretty good system. There is no contradiction in my statement that the govt must free up the economy and let people create their own lives and do their own business and at the same time look after the less able by creating jobs for them. Both must be looked at as complimentary.

What the govt should never do is to mess around with stupid ideas of restructuring jobs or professions because someone has decided that some professions have no place in the economy. That is too much meddling with the economy and people's livelihood. When a profession or job is no longer of value, it will fizzle away by itself. But to consciously put in determined effort to destroy jobs is criminal.

Unless of course the genius could replace the displaced people with an equally comparable jobs or professions. It is easy to destroy jobs and professions. But to create something new and equally valuable is not that simple.

It is irresponsible to just displace people and say tough luck if these people cannot find alternative employment or professions. Many of the displaced people are going to curse the decision maker for their misery.
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Today's paper there is an article by William Pfaff on the flaws of the new American economy. Primarily the key issues of concern was the dismissing of the role of workers and their values, and transferring all the benefits to management and shareholders. 'The market settles business morality and you get away wtih what you can get' from the market. This leads to the billion dollar rewards for the executives.

All the executives are concerned is how to maximise shareholders' value and their own values. And since raw material and energy cost cannot be controlled, the next thing is to reduce or even replaced labour cost.

'The system of values now governing the US corporation rejects the principle that business should serve the interests of workers and community as well as those of investors and managers.'

Thus there is no trickle down effect where the bottom of the food change will get a share of the crumbs, when the workers were excluded from receiving its fair share of the corporate value which it helps to contribute. And according to the new US Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke, he concedes that 'a growing portion of the population feels they are not sharing in the benefits' that American industry and trade produce. The decline in workers family income during years of deregulation and globalisation has reached a point where workers depend on federal food stamps to live, and use hospital only for basic medicare.

And Pfaff commented that a corporate model that deliberately renounces responsibility for the well being of its workforce hollows out the domestic consumer market...

The above scenario is very familiar as our economy is a carbon copy of the US economy. Our workers did not have federal food stamps to live on, but they now have Comcare and Progress Package to tie over hard times.

The Americans are waking up to their heady mismanagement and misallocation of wealth to the small core of top management at the expense of their workers when wealth were piled up like it is their god given right.

Would our system continue down this road when $600k income is peanuts while 30% of the population is living on less than $15k annual income and struggling to make ends meet? Will this widening income gap be seen as a social evil and not a normal state of affair in a free capitalist system?
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I miss out quoting another para from William Pfaff, '...and the original labour force is advised to retrain itself so as to obtain new and more sophisticated, high value jobs in technologically innovative start up industries.'

in the Singapore context it is to learn to operate new machines like mobile road sweeping vans or automated water tankers to water plants on the roadside and change their job titles to hygiene or horticultural technicians.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that's one option. One can also learn new skills and get new qualifications. The beauty in a well-developed capitalist society is that one has CHOICE.

If one was in a Turd World Cuntry, where the unemployment is high anyway, if you lose your job, the only "viable" alternative might be a life of crime.

It is true that capital investment into technology and machine tools improves the productivity of labour.

Now with a robot-van, one human can clean vast amounts of roads and sidewalks.

Why knock it? It is great!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technology is great and can make life that much more comfortable. And it is not free. Things can be done more efficiently and faster but not necessarily cheaper.

The issue is to manage the redundancy problem. Machines can replace people to do work. But what to do with people who are being replaced? This would require a lot of planning and restructuring. When the timing is not done well, or when new jobs are not available, then we will end up with unemployment and social problems. The govt is there to manage such issues. There are a lot of balancing to do.

It is very easy to say computerised or mechanised. One such example that I have seen which has become a big failure is internet trading. So much hardware and software were purchased to develop a whole industry. But timing was wrong, we were too ahead of our time. And the market was not ready. Couple with systems and structural problems, the revenue generated cannot cover for the cost invested.

We are different from the American market. We are just too small and did not have the critical mass to make the system viable. What is 3 or 5% in our market compare to that of the American market? Their base population is 260 million. Ours is 3.5 million.

We got to be realistic and not to forget that a red dot is a red dot.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is why free markets and not tinkering with the price system is important.

All "improvements" can only happen if resources are used. Humans work with "hunches" more than they do with "perfect knowledge"—because there ain't no such thing.

So entrepreneurs "bet" by trying stuff they THINK the market needs. If they win, they are IN THE MONEY. If they lose, they're out of pocket.

The bid for resources to get their projects happening. The resources they require in abundance (say specialised labour) is bid UP. The resources they do not use (say second hand newspapers) are free to find their own price level elsewhere in the market.

Losses and business collapses are important processes in the dynamics of the market.

... and to a person like my good self, they are a source of entertainment as well Laughing Laughing

<== Helping out with the unemployment problem by private initiative!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our problem is that we have too many brilliant people who really think that they are real smarts and either mess up everything or put the lid so tight that people got choke to death.

They just could not believe that their theoretical and text book excellence is always screwed up by the market forces.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually,in many ways I defend those people. Nothing happens until ACTION is taken. Then, if the results aren't "optimal" you have the choice to learn from your mistakes and become a better person.

I'd sooner be a Bold and Stubborn person who can make a decision quickly and act on it, than some undecided fool who prefers to "play safe" and not do anything, or warse—too scared to "displease" the "democracy" (the moronic crowd and crowd-followers)

"Leadership" begins with BALLS, not "brains". If you first don't believe in yourself, how are you going to convince others to believe in you? Shocked

Humans are imperfect. They make mistakes. Ain't nothing going to change that! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with you on this. Get it done. But don't over do it. Medium rare or rare so be ok. Once well done or overdone, it could be burnt.

Having said that, everyone, agency or organisation, must do its part by defining its role clearly. This is classic Confucianism. The state or emperor must behave as such and the people or business behave as what they are.

Let the business worries about their profits and don't 'kay khian' and try to teach the business what to do for their own good.

Let the people decide what they want to do and don't destroy jobs which one thinks are unpalatable.

And the govt should keep to its role as being a govt by creating a level playing field for all and distribution of wealth as best it can.

I still remember this slogan 'Towards a more equal and more just society.'
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tougher for medical graduates
An unhappy Malaysian complains about London's new immigration ruling.
Jun 6, 2006

'Get lost' - that's the British for you'
Disillusioned Doctor-to-be
malaysiakini
Jun 2, 2006

In view of the current media spotlight on our medical students and doctors overseas, particularly in the UK, I wish to draw attention to the sudden change in the UK immigration rules which now grant all UK medical graduates from overseas only two years of postgraduate training.

After that stage, employers are now obliged to offer posts first to UK and European Economic Area (EEA) nationals if they meet the minimum criteria, with any places remaining going to foreign nationals regardless of where they qualified.

The change was announced in March and took effect in April.

I extracted the above from an article posted in littlespeck.com.

Why can't Singapore learn something from this? When jobs are concerned, citizen's first. If citizens can meet the minimum criteria, they shall be given the job.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Putting Immogrants In Their Place Reply with quote

Every self-respecting citizen of every decent cuntry (if any such things exisits Wink ) should be annoyed and pissed-off with these whinging immigrants.

Immigrats ususally quite their own SHITTY CUNTRIES for a "better future for the kids" and associated banal, shallow-minded and oh-so-important self-centered reasons.

No one forces these ungrateful fuckers to immigrate anyway. They can stay put in their rat-infested Turd World Cuntry and wallow in their socities of child-prostitution, money-laundering, software piracy and corrupt regimes.

Don't you think they should be at least thankful for leaving behind such barbarism and having their "life-long dreams" fulfilled by moving to societies of obesity, religious bigotry, warlike behaviour, consumer excess...and corrupt regimes.

The early immigrants of these "civilised" western cuntries kissed the ground, built a church and gave thanks to The Almighty as soon as they landed. After the prayers, they'd go off and kill-off the natives....but hey, that's PROGRESS.

Perhaps present day immigrants could learn a few lessons from the early settlers of other cultures.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear, after a few generations we are as good as natives. And if these new immigrants were to do what you said, our lives are at risk.

And you are natives too. But you are new immigrants in OZ. So what is your position now? Kill all the natives in OZ?
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