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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What did WikiLeaks revealed?

Many believe the WiliLeak information are all truth. Some are but many are not. Some are just versions of what the US diplomats penned to feed Washington. And who knows, some are just misinformation or versions that they wanted the world to know. There are plenty of American propaganda and slanted information for the world to lap up.

What is unpleasant is that the Americans failed miserably to protect the interests and reputations of national leaders who were prepared to talk to them in confidence, thinking that what they said will be kept in secret. In such a climate of trust, many world leaders were caught with their pants down, bad mouthing other leaders and countries. This is no good. It destroys the credibility of the leaders in the report. No amount of damage control can undo this ruinous act of indiscretion.

One wonders why the US could not stop the leak or to block the information from being spread across the internet. Don’t they have the capability to do so? Definitely. Why didn’t they do it or is it that the leaks were more beneficial to the US than if they were kept secret? And hurting a few statesmen is also good for the US. Embarrass them to bring them down, flat on their faces?

Some statesmen are now red in their faces for speaking truthfully to the Americans. They must be having sleepless nights knowing the Americans have made a mockery of their reputation and integrity.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:55 pm    Post subject: Bolivian lectures Gates about US behaviour. Reply with quote

Global General Bolivian leader lectures Gates about US behavior
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Updated: 2010-11-23 06:48 Comments(11) PrintMail Large Medium Small

SANTA CRUZ, Bolivia- Bolivian President Evo Morales had a blunt message for the visiting US Pentagon chief on Monday: Latin American nations will pick their own friends and business partners, including Iran, regardless of US opinion.

The leader delivered an hourlong welcome to delegates at a regional defense conference that included US Defense Secretary Robert Gates. Morales never mentioned Gates by name. But most of the speech, and all of the applause lines, were clearly directed at the Pentagon chief and former head of the CIA.

Bolivia is more democratic and representative than the United States, Morales said, and democracy would improve in the entire region if the United States stopped interfering.

Bolivia receives $70 million in US aid annually, much of it for popular nutrition and health programs.

He mentioned the spread of Iranian and Russian business and other ties in Latin America, and said it is not the US place to complain.

"Bolivia under my government will have an agreement, an alliance, to anyone in the world," Morales said. "Nobody will forbid us," he said to applause.

Morales has allied Bolivia with Venezuela, Cuba and Iran, and drawn criticism from the US for the Tehran ties.

Last month Bolivia said it is interested in buying Iranian-made airplanes and helicopters for military training and transportation. Bolivia also wants to team up with Iran to build a nuclear power plant and establish a joint development bank. Venezuela is teaming with Russia on a civilian nuclear plant.

Gates didn't seem fazed by the one-hour monologue. A day earlier he had warned that countries doing business with Iran should remember that Iran is under international sanctions over its nuclear program. He also questioned whether Iran has the technical capability to help another nations develop civilian nuclear power.

"As a sovereign state Bolivia obviously can have relationships with any country in the world that it wishes to," Gates said Sunday. "I think Bolivia needs to be mindful of the number of United Nations Security Council resolutions that have been passed with respect to Iran's behavior."

Gates addressed the defense ministers' forum later Monday. His remarks were brief and focused on cooperation across the Western Hemisphere. He did not mention Morales or the wider current on anti-Americanism among some Latin American nations.

"Let us not lose sight of our shared dreams and common aspirations of a free, prosperous and secure Americas," Gates said.

The popular Morales, an ethnic Aymara and former coca-growers' union leader, was first elected in December 2005 and recently declared that he intends to run again in 2014. His closest ally is the even more fiercely anti-US leader of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez.

Morales ticked off a history of attempted coups, alleged election- and vote-tampering, military meddling and vague conspiracies involving the United States. Some of it is based in truth, although the US denies that a former ambassador tried to engineer a coup against Morales in 2008, as he alleged Monday.

Morales kicked out the then-US ambassador in 2008, and the two nations have not normalized diplomatic relations since. Morales also expelled the US DEA on suspicion of espionage.

He denies that coca grown in Bolivia feeds the worldwide demand for cocaine, although the country produces vastly more of the crop that would be needed for its traditional and legal medicinal use in Bolivia.

Morales also alleged US involvement in coup attempts or political upheaval in Venezuela in 2002, Honduras in 2009 and Ecuador in 2010.

"The empire of the United States won," in Honduras, Morales said, a reference to the allegations of former Honduran President Manuel Zelaya that the US was behind his ouster.

"The people of the Americas in Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador, we won," Morales continued. "We are three to one with the United States. Let's see what the future brings."

US officials have repeatedly denied involvement in all of those cases and critics of the United States have produced no clear evidence.

Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa called a September 30 police revolt over benefit cuts a coup attempt in disguise, but he did not accuse the United States of being involved.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:04 pm    Post subject: Bolivian lectures Gates about US behaviour. Reply with quote

Bolivian leader lectures Gates about US behavior

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TRUTH 2010-11-23 17:54
Bolivia's defiance against American interference in Latin-America is the most significant erosion of US influence and decline of US power in the world!

The US is still clung stubbornly to seeking HEGEMONY despite the fact that its economy has been run down by the prolonged WARS OF AGGRESSION in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, the Americans are crazily running the printing machines to print more GREENBACKS to 'flood' the world markets and the GREENBACKS will one day become the 'BANANA NOTES' of the Japanese during the WW2! I still remembered we had had several bags of 'Japanese notes' which had NO VALUE at all after the war!

hmmm 2010-11-23 15:26
I'm suspicious of $70 million U.S aid to Ecuador. U.S don't give aid WITHOUT string attache.It's the same thing U.S is doing in Asia to win some Asian leaders to side with U.S.

Watch out for U.S "buy me love" dollars

Ecuador President must trace where the money goes.I suspect it ends up in the hands of his U.S paid political foes who someday will throw him out.

Zxx 2010-11-23 14:06
I had hopes initially of a better administration but now I do agree that this administration is looking more and more ridiculous, yes, indeed worse that the Bush administration.
To do good for the world is not to go around pitting one against another and sowing seeds of discontent through guile, cajole, threats or playing the high moral ground.
To do so, is to think that ex-USA, people are just sub-standard.
For Cinton to barge into this part of the world suddenly, staking US claims of having a stake was utterly ridiculous, in the sense, only children do that.
And for Gates to be rebuffed by the Malaysian FM, was another indication of the indignation countries feel at such US approach.
And now Mr.Morales......!
I also take issue with Obama for what he said 2 days ago I think, when he put it as a problem for countries with trade surpluses with the US to take whatever action as deemed fit, now that QE2 has been released.
What kind of a remark is that for a President of a country which aspires to be a leader?
Great as you think you are, you ought to show the world how to go about handling this financial crisis. Otherwise it is just simply to hell with the rest of us.
Then should the world work together or what?
Your message,Obama, is that you really do not care.
You could go into semantics to say that's not what you mean,but trust me, the world is highly intelligent.
What's going in the minds of the kids in Washington?
And should QE2 fail, does the US think it could do another con as they did with Japan?
Or are they going to bring in the George Washington again?
It's a brave new world, yes, the bravery is with those like Mr.Morales, and the Malaysian FM.
The shame should be felt by the US.

Asian Perspective 2010-11-23 12:45
It is time for someone to give them a piece of their mind.

This administration is even worse than George Bush and are unable to solve their own economy problems and te easiest way out is pointing their finger at others for their woes.

Da Bo 2010-11-23 12:20
Mr. Morales please be extra careful!

Just look at Hussein of Iraq! US put him up and US took him down...!!! US is so arrogant that he didn't even try to hide it! US is forever going around the world and trying to put up his own puppet government and call it 'democracy'...lol

USA is like Israel, apparently both are getting away with Murder!

Mario 2010-11-23 12:07
Just hope US economic crisis would only get better after every country in the World could liberate themselve of US military occupation first. This is my dream.

helen 2010-11-23 12:07
US Global Tyranny is the cause of wars and sovereign subversion throughout the World. It is the modern equivalent of Global Terrorism.

United States is the World's No 1 terrorist and they want to terrorise sovereign nations with their superior conventional power for the time being.

Time for US to pack up.

The World of Nations can live without the United States!

zen 2010-11-23 11:06
Salute to Mr. Morales from this side of the world!

i'm proud of most of Latin American countries for standing up to the bully and dictation of U.S.A.

zzZZzz 2010-11-23 10:16
CNN, BBC, NY Times, Times (of London) and other mainstream western media report would not reprt such news.

worldcitizen 2010-11-23 08:49
US' is never a responsible stakeholder on a world stage. Developing nations know that very well. They are going to fight back against this bully of the world.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:06 pm    Post subject: Bolivian lectures Gates about US behaviour. Reply with quote

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yapchongyee 2010-11-23 08:28
Viva Moeales ! A great speech and one that has taken until now to be uttered by a leader of Latin America. More than just Latin America, the world needs to breach that nonsense INIPOLAR WORLD OF THE WEST.

The 21st century belongs to the developing world and one that is part of a multi-polar world order. China is today on the RIGHT SIDE OF THIS WORLD ORDER. We have broken the back of a predatory OLD WORLDRDER AND NOW WE SEE ONE THAT IS THE NEW ONE and started by the campaign of our President Jiang Zee Min. The peaceful rise of China ushers in the rise of the developing world order.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Americans and South Koreans hell bent on war

They continue to provoke the North Koreans by conducting more war games. And they are complaining that the North Koreans are provocative. And they want China to rein in the North Koreans!

The countries that are provocative and need reining in are the Americans and the South Koreans. If they stop their provocation and stop their war games at the border with North Korea, there will be no tension. Here we have the devil calling everyone devil. The best part is that they are going to blame China for the next Korean War. They are not meeting in Washington planning when to start the war.

Since the South Koreans are bent on killing the North Koreans, and themselves being killed, and the US and Japan most willing to join in the killing, China should just fold its arms and watch. Let them go merrily to kill each other.

China should just say, go ahead, it’s my pleasure. In the meantime China should just tell the world what the Americans are up to.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:59 pm    Post subject: US wanton provocations a precursor to declaring war on China Reply with quote

The sign is very clear. US in its determination to contain China has now solemnly signed on Japan and ROK as junior members in an evil axis to take on China. US success in bringing down the Soviet Union has emboldened it to think that it too can do China in.It has as pre cursors to stirring up trouble against China adopted all kinds of vile means to give it an excuse to lure China out for an open confrontation. US started with encroaching on China's sea and air space to spy on China with its sea and aerial surveillance. Then it interferred in the South China Sea issues between China and other littoral states. It sells offensive Weapons to Taiwan hoping to see Chinese slaughtering Chinese.It handed Chinese island of Diaoyutai to Japan illegally. It conducts endless military drills both naval and aerial in or near Chinese coastal regions.It instigates India to pick trouble with China. All these are very serious wanton provocations. However, nothing tops it most vile and villainous provocation in creating incidents or clashes and then pin the blame on others especially on China.It refuses to talk or deal direct with DPRK to solve the Korean issue. It sank the South Korean naval ship at Cheonam and fired into North Korea in its recent military drills and when DPRK fired back in retalliation, US claimed that DPRK was provocative.Then US arrogantly expects and insists that China should control DPRK's behavious failing which it claims that China should bear the responsibility and the consequence. DPRK is a full fledged independent country. It is capable in acting on its own. No countries not even China can control or direct DPRK's responses to US provocative actions. South Korea and Japan are different. They are US's colonies or protectorates and therefore US can have full control over them and direct their actions or behaviour. The two colonies are now being summoned to Washington gy the emperor for further instructions. Obama, the white men's puppet is now showing his horns and his true colours. He should be awarded mor Peace Prizes. Don't expect China to do the same to North Korea. North Korea is not a Chinese colony.
US is using North Korea as an excuse to find fault with China.It is carrying out all kinds of perverted wanton provocations to draw out China into an open confrontation.No matter how much China loves peace, no matter how tolerant and patient China is , China must not be caught napping in a war that US and its gangs will soon impose on her any time in the near future. US thinks and hopes that war will solve all its grave financial and economic problems. In short it hopes to abscond with the trillions of dollars debt that it owes to China.
The woman in US who is directing all US provocations and aggression is no other then Hillary Oddham Clinton , a woman who is unable to control her philandering husband but thinks she can control events in East Asia. Together with US deputy sheriff in Australia which under Kevin Rudd who thinks likewise as her, they think and believe in using force against China when as Rudd said " if everything fails in their countries." In other words China is held as responsible and a scapegoat for all their failures.
In conclusion I hope China is already more than fully armed with the latest type of modern weapons and ready to wipe out these evil warmongers on the very first moment of their open confrontation. As an open reminder to China, please surround US and Australia with as many nuclear armed submarines as China can possibly do. The same should be done to Japan and Europe.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:32 pm    Post subject: Obama uses gunboat policy against China & DPRK Reply with quote

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Obama uses gunboat diplomacy with North Korea and China

2010-11-25 President Obama made a clever strategic move after a North Korean rocket attack killed two civilians and two soldiers Tuesday in South Korea. He decided to respond with a naval surge – directed not only at North Korea but also at its closest ally, China.
The president ordered an aircraft carrier strike force into the Yellow Sea, off the western shore of North Korea – the scene of the North's barrage on a South Korean island. But this is also an area that Beijing vigorously claims as its own watery turf.
By sending in the USS George Washington carrier to conduct joint exercises with South Korea, Mr. Obama is risking an eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation with China. In recent months, top Chinese military officials have warned the United States not to send ships or planes into the Yellow Sea. They have even promised financial retribution.

China "won't stand" for such US naval provocation, wrote Maj. Gen. Luo Yuan of the People's Liberation Army in an August editorial. "Imagine what the consequences will be if China's biggest debtor nation [the US] challenges its creditor nation," he stated.
Indeed, any threat by China to off some $750 billion in US debt that it holds cannot be taken lightly. The US economy would nose-dive if the Chinese stopped recycling their export earnings into US Treasuries.
But for Obama, the risk of another Korean War and, more important, North Korea's export of nuclear material and know-how to the Middle East, may be seen as an even bigger risk.
After this latest attack on South Korea by the erratic regime of Kim Jong-il, the US was forced to use old-fashioned gunboat diplomacy and send a message to China that it must finally rein in its wily ally and neighbor.
Washington really has no other options for changing Pyongyang's behavior than to force China to act. In the past, Beijing has indeed temporarily cut off vital fuel supplies to North Korea after violent attacks on the South. But lately China prefers to be silent, notably after the sinking of a South Korean ship last March that killed 46 sailors.

ven as the US and China struggle over what to do with North Korea, there is a larger issue at stake: Will the big-power contests of the 21st century be shaped by a nation's economic clout or by the traditional means of the past – military might?
To be sure, China is rapidly building up its navy to thwart the still-powerful US Navy in Asia. It will soon have missiles to knock out American ships. And its ships have recently bullied a few other Asian nations.
But China is also wielding the market power of its 1.3 billion people and its strong export industries to win friends and to badger adversaries. It has used big investments, trade deals, and massive purchases in strategic ways. And in a recent territorial dispute with Japan, Beijing even cut off exports of so-called rare earth minerals needed for Japanese high-tech industries.
China feels even stronger now as the US economy remains dormant with American consumers less dominant as buyers of other nations' exports. The Chinese economy recently surpassed Japan's and is second in size to America's. And it watches with anticipation as Obama tries to cut the US military budget.
Obama's big-stick move against China may end up only highlighting the fact that US is losing its ability to wage "dollar diplomacy," or the use of its big economy to shape global trends. Obama's hesitation to punish China for its flagrant currency manipulation, for example, reveals the weak hand of the US to fend off China's hold on the American economy.
The North Korean crisis could end up being a defining moment for China and the US. The two nations are in a contest for power and influence, with each one not yet quite sure whether guns or money will rule the future.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:40 pm    Post subject: Obama uses gunboat policy against China & DPRK Reply with quote

The gun and boat diplomacy won't works out for DPRK and China. USS washington aircraft carrier don't want to get to close to the China shore, because China now have the new aircraft carrier killer weapon Dongfeng21 that can travel 10 time the speed of sound and can travel of the distance 900 mile or 1200 kilometer.

Those gun and boat days had gone forever and all US can do is barking like a and US cannot afford to fight anothers war and especially with the two nuclear states.

Obama is just do what the white people him what to do even know that he's president of the United States, but real power still in the white men hands.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US attacks its allies

The US has launched the most massive and destructive attack on its allies through the WilkiLeaks. It has created an ill feeling throughout the whole diplomatic community. No one is spared. OK, not really. A few of the US core allies are practically free from any embarrassing leaks. Those that suffered the most from the leaks are peripheral allies or allies that attempt to balance their relationship between the US and China. Countries like Singapore, even Australia, will be fixed very nicely and will suffer an unkind fate for being an American ally. They will have a hard time trying to appease China and to mend their relationship. It will never be the same again.

The party that benefited most from the fracas is the US of course. Countries that fell victims should return the American kindness by having their own version of WikiLeaks and see how red the faces of the Americans will be. For the time being the Americans must be having a good laugh at the silly political leaders that were foolish enough to have confidence in the Americans and that the Americans will not compromise them at any cost. They are now left to lick their own wounds. They are simply dispensable.

Could the leak be prevented? Why were there no leaks from other countries? Were the security systems of other countries more superior than the Americans? It cannot be, the US is the most sophisticate military power and guarding their own electronic/cable communications with all kinds of complicated codes, cannot be easily penetrated. And their CIAs and all the intelligent agencies are world best. How could the leak have gone to far and so big?

It will be ridiculous to think that the Chinese communication security system is far more superior to the Americans. Or for that matter, Singapore or any third world countries.

Let’s have a few leaks on what the Americans say to their allies, to the Israelis, Japanese and South Koreans, or to Saudi Arabia, or to the European nations.

The attack on its allies through WikiLeaks is a precedent that the Americans have set and they will have to pay for it. They cannot get away Scot free from this kind of black operations. For one, they have proven to be unreliable and dangerous as an ally. They cannot be trusted.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:07 pm    Post subject: US champion of Internet freedom now fear it most. Reply with quote

US championed Internet freedom now they fear it
By Han Dongping (chinadaily.com.cn)
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Wikileaks and its founder Julian Assange have been in the world media spotlight for the last few weeks. With Julian Assange now in British custody, the world has responded to his arrest in various ways.

When Wikileaks released the so called US secret documents, some US Congressional leaders labeled Julian Assange as an information terrorist. The US Attorney General Eric Holder promised the US public that it would seek ways to prosecute Julian Assange through legal means. Despite Mr. Holder’s assurances to the American people that the US government had not pressured private companies to stop working with the WikiLeaks website, many people believe that the US was doing everything it could to shut down the Wikileaks cooperation, including pressuring companies such as Paypal to no longer allow donations to Wikileaks through its services. Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State, who fought so strongly for internet freedom a few months ago when Google quarreled with China, has also condemned Wikileaks’ irresponsible release of US secret documents, stating that they may undermine US national security. The champion of information freedom had suddenly become concerned about the dangers of such freedom. The US Government has even placed a ban on federal employees from reading these released documents.

On the other hand, Russian Prime Minister Putin strongly defended Julian Assange and Wikileaks’ release of these documents, accusing the British Government’s arrest of Julian Assange as undemocratic. He used the Russian adverb: Caldron laughs at kettle’s darkness, similar to Chinese adverb wu shi bu xiao bai bu (the person who fled 50 yards laughed at people who fled one hundred), suggesting that the US was doing the same things even though it frequently accusing other nations of restricting access to information. Brazilian President Lula also expressed his support for Julian Assange and Wikileaks, condemning the arrest of Julian Assange by the British authorities as an attack on freedom of expression. The United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay, expressed her concern over reports of pressure exerted on private companies including banks, credit card companies and internet service providers to close down credit lines for donations to WikiLeaks, seeing such pressure as an assault on information freedom.

Hundreds of demonstrators in Australia condemned the Australian government’s characterization of Julian Assange’s release of sensitive US diplomatic cables as illegal, and demanded the Australian Government stand up behind Julian Assange.

The Iranian Government responded to the Wikileaks release of these so called secret American diplomatic cables as an American conspiracy to undermine Iran’s relationship with its neighbors. I can understand why the Iranian Government reacted in such a manner, but it is hard for me to believe that the US government was behind the release of such sensitive information. Some of these documents do promote American diplomatic interests in the world, as would be expected because they were American documents, but some other documents clearly contained embarrassing information that the US Government would not want to be released. I do not think that the American Government would willingly share the candid terms that they used behind other people’s backs.

What we can learn from this Wikileaks affair is that our world is a very divided place, a place with many different cultures, different histories, and different governments. What is a right for people in one country is a crime in another country. The US government strongly defended the internet freedoms of its companies like Google. But when it came to Wikileaks’ release of its own sensitive information, its behavior became entirely different. As I have always argued, the US Government is after all no different from other nations in the world. The difference is a matter of degree rather a difference in nature.

I have looked at some of the documents that Wikileaks released. There were no surprises for me. These so called secret diplomatic cables seemed to be nothing more than diplomatic gossip among lower ranking embassy employees reporting their hearsay to their superiors in order to show that they were being productive. In some cases, they are more like wishful thinking on the part of US embassy officials than realistic situation of the country’s position they are stationed.

There is no doubt that the release of these sensitive documents represents an embarrassment for Hillary Clinton personally as the Secretary of State, but ultimately, they contain very little information that will truly be damaging to the US. Instead they provide the people of the world with an opportunity to see the United States in its true colors. It is not surprising that the US State Department orders the gathering of personal information on foreign diplomats and UN officials. It is probably a common practice among most other countries in the world as well. It will only be a surprise to those who are ignorant about their government and politics and those who have been doing these things while accusing others for doing exactly what they are doing.

The author is Professor of History and Political Science at Warren Wilson College, NC.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:56 am    Post subject: No way toreach win win in a zero sum game. Reply with quote

No way to reach win-win with a zero-sum opponent
By Patrick Mattimore (chinadaily.com.cn)
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Two miners are working side-by-side when they simultaneously hit what they both recognize is a rich vein of gold. The first miner turns to the second and says, "We've struck gold, now we can both be rich." The second miner says, "That may be true, but the more gold you take out of this strike, the less there will be for me."

Although not directly analogous, China is a lot like the first miner and the US is a lot like the second. Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi suggested last week that China and the US should cooperate to reach win-win situations in world affairs, rather than view relations between the two countries as necessarily a competitive zero-sum game.

But It's difficult to get to win-win when you suspect the fellow next to you intends to use his pickax on your head before breaking down rocks.

On Monday, Chinese State Councilor Dai Bingguo wrote a lengthy commentary in which he explained his interpretation of the CPC Central Committee's Proposal for Formulating the 12th Five-Year Plan for China's economic and social development. With regard to external relations, he outlined a win-win strategy that will enable China and other nations to enjoy better lives in the future, to make "the pie of common interests bigger and better."

Dai Bingguo used the term "opening up" to propose that countries could pursue mutually beneficial courses of action. That view implies that the global marketplace is expanding, with new opportunities developing in which everyone's lives can be improved.

The more pessimistic American zero-sum game presumption is that there are winners and losers or, at best, parties draw.

The corresponding psychological principle is relative happiness. That principle holds that we judge how happy we are relative to those around us. America sees China as an adversary, bent on taking what Americans have. As China prospers therefore, Americans enjoy their riches less.

China has a different view of America, seeing that country as an economic model, albeit an imperfect model. As a result, China adopts aspects of the American economy and tailors those aspects to fit her own needs.

According to Dai Bingguo, China hopes for its people and all the world's people to fashion a world "where every day is better than the previous one." That is an expansive, perhaps utopian view of happiness, but America's policies suggest that she sees happiness as a fixed quantity, in which one individual's or country's increase results in another's depletion.

Even when there is an unexpected boon, a gold strike for example, the relative view of happiness suggests that one only profits from that strike if he becomes richer than his colleague. If there is a disaster, such as a world economic crisis, the view holds that even though one may suffer some financial loss, that loss is largely mitigated if a peer has a greater loss. While these are oversimplifications of the principles and applications of relative happiness, they nevertheless underscore an essential world view that seems to separate present day Chinese and Americans, or at least their governments.

China seems very much poised to forge ahead with a "can-do" spirit and an inclusive optimistic world view. Increasingly, it seems as if America is less concerned with developing her own resources and more worried that she not lose ground to China. That"s the hazard of playing zero-sum instead of win-win.

Patrick Mattimore is a fellow at the Institute for Analytic Journalism, a former Advanced Placement psychology teacher, and an adjunct instructor of law at Tsinghua/Temple Law School LLM Program in Beijing.
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Thomas Friedman singing praises for the American Empire

He lamented what a world would be if America could not project power the way it has in an article in the ST today. He said ‘your’ kids won’t grow up in a different America but will grow up in a different world. Die, American kids are going to get walloped if America could not wallop the rest of the world. He is worried that American kids would not be able to push everyone around. He fears a China and the likes of Julian Assange, who could carry as much weight as America. He fears a multi polar world that would not benefit the American kids that much but also the kids of other countries, notably other powers like China, India, Brazil, Russia and the Europeans. And that is simply bad.

He was disgusted that China could exercise so much power to keep countries from attending the circus in Norway when Liu Xiaobo was the celebrated clown for the day, and in the company of greater clowns. And China could do it without the use of the aircraft carriers and fighter bombers, but just simple economic power. And he called this an act of perversity, that China is equated as a failed state abusing its new found power, irresponsible is the word.

What about America forcing its allies to go to war in Iraq and other theatres of war, in a Coalition of the Unwiling? The American allies have no choice but being muscled in to kill people, invade countries, execute regime change, and be accomplices to the infamous Guantanamo Camp where freedom and human rights were never heard of. And these were the acts of the Evil Empire which he approved of. America is exceedingly responsible as a super power in doing all these things.

Make a comparison between China exercising its economic power in not attending a circus and America exercising its military power in commiting acts of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Which is more IRRESPONSIBLE, and more oppressive, abominable?

How long and how much more must Asians be preached with such sermons from the West, particularly from the Americans, whose only concern is for their own good. What is good to the Americans, and cruel to others, is still good. What is not good to the Americans, no matter how civil, is not good. Should the world continue to live with such condescending American logic?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:31 pm    Post subject: Peace prize mockery of its ideals Reply with quote

Peace prize ignores its ideals. It serves Western interest especially US interest. It is a tool of subversion against China. Thomas Friedman a renowned US commentator is very pathetic about the decline of Western ego and is so anti-China that like most anti-China Western - US journalists he has to always write whimsical derogatory articles or comments about China . He still dreams that the evil US Empire will never fade like the obnoxious British Empire which had long gone. I guess he is still dreaming,though I believe it is already a long lost dream.

Comments below - from netizens of China Daily.

HsunTze 2010-12-14 10:39
apathetic 2010-12-14 08:49

Why don't you look back in time what the USA has done? It preached freedom and democracy but did not allow the others to go about their own individual ways. It went about regime changing, even using underhand tactics to erase opponents. How many conflicts did it started or initiated and how many deaths did occurred. Even today the war in Afghanistan has not seen the end and do you mind telling the world how it started? Can you explain why the USA left the UN in the cold and acted as if it is the guardian and the judge?

If you think you knew Liu Xiaobo so much, can you provide the details of the peace initiatives he had done that he deserved that award? Can you explain why those who are seen to cause China instability and concern, are given recognition in the Western world?

Can you explain why there are so much fear in the Western world about China's peaceful rise that Kevin Ruud "secretly told Hilliary Clinton to use force on China? Please explain why in this latest Wikileak there were so much material relating to certain Asian leaders belittling other Asian leaders? Is it a hidden move to create animosity between Asian countries?

I know the truth hurts but there is no necessity to do any character assasination. What you are reading is not the normal Western media coverage but a view from the opposite end. It is wise to read about things you do not like and realistically deduce why there are opposing views rather than have a one track mind.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:37 pm    Post subject: Peace ignores its ideals. Reply with quote

Comments 2 from netizens of China Daily

duh 2010-12-14 07:11
Those Western puppets, hypocrites and second class dissidents living abroad are calling for the release of a Chinese criminal.

WHAT CHINA SHOULD DO IS TO ADD 20 YEARS MORE FOR HIS CRIME OF SEDITION.

chinaren 2010-12-14 05:56
Liu does not deserve the peace prize because what he is advocating will throw China into chaos and make it weaker. The type of society he is advocating for has been tried before in China under the Koumingtang, which is now only ruling Taiwan. When you let many people say and do whatever they want, you will weaken central government control, which will lead to a weak and disunified country. From history, Chinese people realized that it had proved to be a disaster for China, which is what China's rivals are hoping for.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:42 pm    Post subject: Peace prize ignores its ideals Reply with quote

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HsunTze 2010-12-13 18:50
Now that the West has industrialised and become developed and rich it now sees "human rights" and "climate change".

At the height of colonialism, Portugal one of the powerful European countries embarked on a Slave trade. It took African slaves to its colonies and to America where the White settlers overran the native Indians to take over the continent. African slaves were brought in by the thousands to serve the White masters. WHERE WAS HUMAN RIGHTS? The White people had no such words. All they had was the obsession of conquer, colonised and be enriched as well as being served by slavery.

US history tells us that it was US President Abraham Lincoln who abolished US slavery. It was sad that he was assasinated probably by people who wanted to continue with slavery. Even today racism and White Supremacy groups still exist in the USA and in Europe.

As the world evolves and change, with colonisation gradually diminishing and more colonies become independent, the past colonial powers slowly come to grip with less access to wealth from the colonies, these White powers drum up words like globalisation, international communities, human rights, freedom, Democracy and the list runs on.

They were in a similar mode when it came to climate change. After getting much wealth and benefits from colonies, these countries quickly industrialised, with raw material and timber resources from all available sources. They had no word on climate change. (I do not remember reading any articles or books on the subject). Today as industries moved to the poorer and just developing countries, this subject became more highlighted. The West, where most industrialised, rich and developed countries are, want the rest of the slowly growing world to share the burden to reduce pollution. They had enjoyed the whole cake of industrialisation (with pollution) and now wants the others who are just developing to industrialise without causing pollution. Is this practical, realistic and reasonable. Look at it. The very industrialised and world only superpower, the USA still does not play a responsible role model. It has eaten the whole cake and still wants a share of the new cake.

Oh, sorry for the deviation. We are talking about ideals being ignored by the Peace Prize committee. The West has used 'human rights' to serve its purpose. Now that they are rich, powerful and industrialised, they believe they have the best human right situation and thus think they have the moral and credibility to tell other countries that they lack human rights. I opine that human right is also about the sovereignty of the nation. Is there human right when a country has the means to deprive another of their right of way and self determination? Is it about human right that many thousands were killed in unjust wars? Is it about human rights when certain nations think they have the right to change someone's government using force? Is it human right to meddle in someone else internal affairs?

Likewise for climate change, the very rich and highly industrialised nations must come forth to help those who are developing or poor to develop the technology to prevent or reduce pollution causing agents. Being rich they can come out with funds to help these poor nations.

China is right to say that it was useless building green energy plants in poor countries without passing to them the technology or knowhow to maintain, upkeep or even produce like products for their use. There was a saying: Give a fish to the poor and he could only have one meal. Teach him how to fish and he would likely have continuous meals. (Not the exact wordings here - sorry)

It is time the West, being the most developed and rich step out and do the right thing to save this world. Do not just eat that cake, share it and pass out the receipe so that others can also make their own cakes. Most likely when they could do it they would share it too.

Wish I had the proficiency to write better English. Apologies for mistakes and others. Hope message is clear.
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