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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denise Chong’s agenda on more immigrants
The ST does not publish articles on social and political issues in the city for no reasons and one is not wrong to assume that every article is carefully screened and approved before appearing on print. The weekend article by Denise Chong, a young journalist on the politics of envy or jealousy by Sinkies against the influx of foreigners here is no exception. What is the message?
Here is just a small quote to give an idea of what she is pushing and approved for printing.
“I guess no matter how comfortably some have feathered their own nests, the psychological weight of seeing other people with nest eggs that are 20 or 40 or 60 million times bigger can sour contentment they might feel about their own more modest success.”
Why is a young journalist pushing so hard for more immigrants to come on board in this tiny island that is already over populated and squeezing the citizens out in many things, jobs, space, owning properties and cars? Why are there people who are so adamant, stubborn and persistent to want to flood the island with more foreigners? Why is it that now with a 40% of foreigners here, and targeted to be 50% or more in 2030 is a good thing and the more the merrier? What is the agenda?
What is the intellectual level of a young girl to push such a serious matter of national interest that would impact the whole population into the future, and to be worthy of being published in the official media? Or this is just an innocent view of a young girl and has nothing to do with the officialdom?
The citizens are crying foul, feeling squeezed and deprived and marginalized and wanting to stop the influx, and here is another journalist trying to stuff it in with no heed to their pain and anger, even giving them a dig as being selfish and green with envy. Would we want to see more foreigners coming in to take on top positions in the ministries, stats boards and the govt offices in general? Do we want to see a new citizen as our permanent secretary, head of our armed forces or the police, or even the intelligent services?
Do we see any difference between foreigners, new citizens and the original born and bred citizens, or that they are simply the same and the citizens should make way for these ‘foreign talents’? What is good for a country or the citizens if the foreigners are here and took over all the top jobs in the country?
How many more foreigners do we want to flood this island before we say enough is enough? Are we a country, a nation, or just another fuck shop?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kunming, 29 killed and 143 wounded
10 Xinjiang separatists dressed in black with faced hooded, went on a killing rampage in Kunming Railway Station. They went killing anyone in the station. The Police managed to shoot and kill 4 of the terrorists, wounded 1 and hunting for the rest. It was reported that the terrorists were Uighurs from the Xinjiang region demanding for self rule. Xinjiang has been part of China since time immemorial and the Uighurs minority group is getting more violent in demanding to break away from China.
In many countries around the world, the minorities are challenging the central govt and wanting to form their own govt. Some of these minorities have been there for centuries. Some minorities are new to the land, especially those in Europe and the Americas. As the minorities grow in number and strength, there is a natural tendency to want to be their own masters. The fragile states of Central Asia, China and Russia, even Myanmar, Thailand, Philippines and Malaysia, are countries plagued by the presence of a more vocal and demanding minorities. Violent protest and violence as a means to achieving their political goal, often with external support, will only embolden the separatist movements.
Would Europe and countries that practiced free immigration laws end up with a substantial minority population that would make demands for their existence, for territorial and sovereign rights or political representation from the adopted countries? When their populations are small, they are like benign cancerous cells. When they grow in size, many would turn malignant and become a social and political problem of their host countries.
When would the pressure from the substantial presence of foreigners as new citizens in Sin City become a real problem and to challenge the original citizens for a bigger say, representation and the economic pie of the state. When would these apparently very nice people turned to become not so nice or even violence when they feel their interests are not satisfied or their expectations not met?
Are we planting the seed of communal violence for the future by bringing in so many foreigners into our midst? We have managed to keep the lid on for the last 40 plus years with the 3 major racial groups and a smaller Eurasian community living in relative harmony and co existence. With the new intakes, this delicate balance is going to be challenged and we can’t be so naïve not to foresee what the future has installed for us by our reckless immigration policy.
In the Kunming incident, it looks like China will no longer be acting nice to the terrorists and separatist movement. A dragnet is likely to be cast over Xinjiang and the strong arm of the law will inflict pain on the reign of terror of the separatists. Historically China is like an ocean of people and even the larger minority groups like the Mongols and Manchus ended up as Chinese after their conquest of China. The minority Uighurs would hardly stand a chance to think they could separate themselves from China. They are asking to be whacked real hard on their butts for their violent and wanton killing of the innocents. There should be no pity should the perpetrators and their supporters be dealt with in the same way they killed the innocents in Kunming.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

6.9m is not the target, only for planning
This is true. The 6.9m population for 2030 is only a part of the planning process. Grace Fu announced in Parliament that population growth for 2013 was 80,000, 30k from newborns, 20k from new citizens and 30k from PRs. And this is the slowest growth in the last 10 years, a pull back after the unprecedented protest at Hong Lim Park. What would it be like without the protest is left to your own imagination.
The govt is ‘pulling back’ its plan for population growth! Really? At this rate, with a population of 5.4m, and if the govt is to add 80k every year, in 10 years, the population will be 6.2m. By 2030 it will add in another 560k to make it to 6.67m, a whisker away from the 6.9m planned.
So, would we have 6.67m or 6.9m in 2030? And after 2030, if growth is a necessity, would the population still continue to grow at the same rate and where will it end?
Anyone wondering why is there such an obsession to grow the population by hook or by crook. No population growth means no economic growth, no jobs for Sinkies but plenty of jobs for foreigners? It is like a drug addict, no matter how many rounds of cold turkeys, or how many times thrown into jail, die die must have the fix. No matter how many times the people protest, the population must grow as planned.
Does it mean that the country will collapse or something worse will happen if the population is not boosted? What is so critical that the govt must ignore the complaints and wishes of the people that it must go against the people?
Why? What is the intent of the govt? What is the real reason for this outrageous and unacceptable policy to be pushed with total disregard of the people’s will? There must be something very serious that the govt is not telling the people for wanting to go ahead with the population growth that the people did not want and opposed to it.
Or is this the best this one trick pony can do with the millions they are paid? They just cannot think of any better alternatives?
Why? Would the govt tell the people why it is so desperate for population growth? Where is the transparency and accountability? Why the secrecy? Tell the people the alternatives, but not the kind that our women folks will become maids.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A sense of contentment and betrayal
Singapore is not a first world city for nothing. We have a well designed and planned city, expensively laid tiles, and a very clean and safe environment for the children and womenfolk to while their time away. Every time I see the mothers and children of foreign origins walking our streets, our parks, our beaches, our shopping malls or eating places, and to see them feeling so comfortable, so at ease and so pleasing, it gives me a sense of pride and contentment. It is a very good feeling.
We are sharing our well planned and safe city to people from all over the world when safety, cleanliness and well organized streets are something they could not imagine back home, when going out or having an outing with their families and children could be a life threatening thing, be abused, be harassed, be robbed, or be bombed. Here they have complete peace of mind with a thing to worry about.
We are an affluent people and very charitable, and welcome foreigners to share our good fortune. But this feeling turns to anger when news of how the foreigners are abusing our hospitality, our trust and goodwill in allowing them here. It is unacceptable and downright disgusting to think that the foreigners are cheating on our people, getting our citizens sacked from jobs so that they can replace them with their own kind. It is utterly unforgiveable to think that they are using unfair and deceptive means to discriminate against our citizens and disadvantaging our innocent citizens who trust that the system is fair and equitable. It is sickening to see how our honest citizens, brought up in a no nonsense system and society, and being cheated by dishonest foreigners without knowing it and thinking that they are less able than the foreigners, and thus deserved to be replaced by the foreigners.
And it is contemptuous that these things are happening to our citizens and continue to happen and nothing is being done, or very little is being done, to stop the exploitation of our citizens by unfair means by foreigners.
How could our people be so generous and so hospital to foreigners only to end up like fools and be victims to their devious scheming and cheating ways? At the very least we should expect our kindness to be reciprocated by kindness and some kind of appreciation and gratefulness. Instead the foreigners are treating our citizens with disgust and contempt.
Why should the citizens allow this to end up this way? We have been betrayed by the very people we showed kindness to. And some of these people are not only ungrateful but thinking that they have the right to kick our ass. And some of our jokers actually said that it is true, that we should be grateful to the foreigners who are here to help us.
The sense of anger and misgiving over foreigners will grow and get worse. The bashing of the Pinoys wanting to hold their National Day celebration is only the tip of a growing discontentment against foreigners. The huge presence of foreigners has eroded their novelty and the natural graciousness of a people that have been very welcoming to foreigners is crumbling. The familiarity and the abuses by foreigners and their rudeness, their competition for everything the citizens needed will no longer be tolerated. It just went over the edge.
But many asses still thing that there is nothing wrong with having more foreigners here and wanting more to come. And they are surprise that the Sinkies are reacting negatively and aggressively. Until these asses wake up from their slumber in the comfort of their private space, they will want to continue to shaft the foreigners down the throat of he citizens and even up their asses and would not relent despite the open display of hostility by the citizens that has never happened before.
Keep them coming, the elite will say. They will remain the deaf frogs and will continue to ignore the angry signs appearing. The masses are stupid and cannot see how good the influx of foreigners is, and their feelings are inconsequential to the bigger scheme of things.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pinoy Independence Day, a demand for more space
With 200,000 Pinoys working in this city, their demand for more space for social and leisure activities is only natural and expected just like the increase in population from 3.3m to 5.4m and the coming 6.9m. No one can fault the Pinoys for wanting more space to live and enjoy their stay here. We can’t squeeze them into dog’s kennels right? As a good host, we need to be more gracious and generous and share our space and amenities with them.
We have already done this. We are giving a lot of space to the various foreign communities living here, all 2m of them, Race Course Rd/Little India for the Indians and Bangladeshis, Chinatown and Geylang for the PRCs, Golden Miles for the Thais, Peninsula for the Myanmese, Joo Chia for the Vietnamese, and Lucky Plaza/Botanic Gardens for the Pinoys.
We must also have foresight, to be able to project their needs into the future. The more they grew, the more space they will need. And this will apply to the other nationalities. By the time our population hits 6.9m, the foreigners would definitely need more space to live comfortably. We cannot be so selfish to deprive them from having more space. The current demand for a place to celebrate the Pinoy Independence Day is only to be expected.
And why not, our Sinkie population will shrink further, so we don’t need so much space for ourselves in the future. Let’s be mentality prepared to cede more space to make our guests feel they are welcomed, and it will reflect very well on us.
The need for more space is only a small step forward. There will be more social and otherliving needs, like a TV channel for their native programmes, newspapers, and maybe more signages on the streets in their languages. They may need to be represented in Parliament in some ways so that their interests will be protected. We can either have NMPs or MPs specially tasked to protect them.
Oh, I think they are already being encouraged to integrate with us and joining RC activities and may even become RC members. With such a huge presence, they cannot be ignored. Their interests cannot be ignored. As their presence is proportionally increased, more resources would have to be diverted to meet their needs. And as our presence is proportionally decreased, lesser resources are needed for our citizens. There will be a new balance and a new status quo developing natural and everyone will be happy, to each according to his needs. In politics they termed this as proportional representation. Caveat, in most countries, proportional representation formula applies only to citizens of a country. In our case, we are no longer a country or just a country in the making, and foreigners are already regarded as locals, so citizenship is no longer a criteria to demand for more space and representation.
What do you think be you a gracious Sinkie or xenophobic Sinkie?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The richest man/woman in history
It is not Bill Gates or Warren Buffett. It is not the Sultan of Brunei or any of the oil sheilks in the Middle East either. It is not some kings or monarchs of an empire. It is not King Soloman either. I know what you are thinking. No, dead wrong.
Adam and Eve, they owned the whole mother earth and everything on it. They owned the mountains and oceans, and all the living things and resources in them. They need not fear of running out of fish or food. No fear of running out of minerals, commodities or energy sources. They lived a life of plentiful.
We are considered the richest people in the world. Every one in two Sinkie is a millionaire. We have everything money can buy. We think we are rich. Everyone think we are rich. Are we? Why are we told to cut down on the use of water, don’t bath for too long? Don’t waste petrol or drive cars, take public transport, cycle will be better. We are told not to waste food as food and resources are depleting. We may run out of fish in the ocean and food crops not enough. Why?
They are all kinds of organizations and kind souls telling everyone to save mother earth as we all over consuming and exploiting the resources, fossil fuel will run out, we burnt a big hole in the sky. We need to stop polluting the environment, we need to grow green. Why? Are we rich, very rich? Oops, sorry, the message not to waste or over consume is meant for the losers. You think the rich cares? You really think they are saving mother earth and are conscious of their destructive habits?
We have plenty when we were 200,000, 2m, 3m. No one told us not to waste food and resources. No one told us to cut down on usage of water or what we eat. No one was worried that the ocean was running out of fish and the land out of food crop.
Now we are rich, damn rich, and we are 5.4m going to 6.9m and not going to stop there. When we hit 6.9m, what have we got to forego, how many cups of water will be the ration, how many bowl of rice day, meat on alternate days, no cars except for the very rich. Everyone cycles around, and everyone a multi millionaire.
So? Are we richer than Adam and Eve? They don’t have motor vehicles, no TV, no smart phones, no aircon, no modern convenience. But they have the whole world to themselves.
I don’t think anyone wants to be Adam and Eve and owns the whole world. And I doubt anyone wants to be a multi millionaire when he has to ration what he eats and drinks and how many cups of water to bath in a day. Where is the right balance, 3m, 5m, 6.9m or 10m or more? Do you want to be rich but have less and with less ration to live on? Do you need Earth Days, Light’s off day? Do you need greenpeace, green movments, ….?
We have 7b people sharing everything on earth when only Adam and Eve used to share them. And for the 7b, actually only a few are sharing the earth while the rest are only having as much as the land below his feet of the air around him.
How rich are you? How many people you want to share your little piece of rock?
PS. This article is to gives an idea on how far we have come as a civilization and how we have diluted the share of our resources from 2 person, hypothetically or theologically, to nearly 7 billion people worldwide, and distributed disproportionally. And in our little island, how we are sharing everything with 5.4m when we were less than 3m. And of course the sharing is very unequal and that makes it more painful for those who are getting less than enough to get by.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2014 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AEC, looking forward to it

The Asean Economic Community is shaping up nicely behind closed doors. We can expect the borders to become more porous with lesser restrictions to travel and work within the Asean countries. The impact could be tremendous but like the impact of 6.9m, no one is particularly interested to tell the public how it would affect their livelihood. The most immediate impact would be out entry points when a normal half an hour wait may now take half a day to cross if all the Asean workers are marching to Sin City. Come to think of it, the checks on security threat could come in very handy and we have plenty of practices to regulate the flow of traffic at the checkpoints.

What I am looking forward to is actually the exchanges of personnel at the top levels, not the PMETs. If we could exchange govt leaders and pick the best for our city, it would be real nice. Top on my list is Yingluck. It would be so nice to see her in Parliament as our PM. Attendance would be perfect and the galleries will be full. You may even have to queue for a gallery ticket months ahead just to have a seat at the gallery. And the MPs would be asking a lot of questions and trying their very best to impress her with their wits. No more absentees or too busy with their private commitments.

The other top seat that needs a change of personality is the Presidency. We need a strong and powerful dare devil to be our President. The best candidate is Aquino of the Philippines. He is the only President in the world that dared to tell China that it is preparing its military forces to fight with China. This kind of bravery is rare and if we can have him, no one would dare to tell him it would take 56 man years to come up with a report. And being paid in the millions, the jobs must be more than just shaking hands with visitors to the Istana and kissing babies. Not to forget, Aquino can stand in for the Pinoy President when the Pinoys here celebrate their Independence Day, so convenient.

Aung San Suu Kyi could be another good choice but her kind of values on happiness may not go down well with our money minded populace. We don’t believe in happiness. We only believe in money, money and more money.

The Malaysian Home Minister Hamidi would be a good choice for our Home Ministry. We would not have anymore Mas Selamat problems or Malaysians gate crashing through out check points. But what impressed me about Hamidi was his comment on the fair treatment of minorities during Obama’s visit. When asked if Malaysia was fair in its affirmative policies to the bumiputras he quoted the examples in the US to support his case. The US also has affirmative policies for the minorities. So there is nothing wrong for Malaysia to have affirmative policies for the majorities.

Wish he can be our Home Affairs Minister and introduce affirmative policies for the majorities here.

His comrades Hishamuddin would be a good one for Transport Minister. He is so experienced in handling the media and with so frequent breakdowns in our trains, he would be like fish in water, holding press conferences daily like a cake walk. He will definitely enjoy his job here and we can have free publicity to the whole world.

It would be a tough choice to swap our Foreign Minister with Natalegawa of Indonesia. Between him and Shanmugam, close fight. The only reason to replace him with Shanmugam is the cost. If we pay him half of what we are paying Shanmugam he will be so happy that he would not hesitate to take up citizenship here and may promise that his sons will do NS. He can also tell his generals not to anyhow name their warships. Diplomacy is key man.

From Vietnam we could have a war veteran as our Defence Minister, someone that have really gone to war and seen what was like fighting in the battlefields. That would would be real stuff, not paper generals.

As for environment, media, housing, I think we can stick to our own talented ministers. Oh, I nearly forgot, Health Ministry needs a helping hand. The Malaysian Health Minister Subramaniam is doing a hell of a good job producing local doctors at about 500/600 a year. That kind of experience is very good for us. We must produce more local doctors to meet the demands of the AEC. But more important is the free health care for the citizens. We would not be complaining if he introduced a flat fee of $5 per visit for outpatients, medicine included. That would be real nice.

I think the number of changes is about right. We need to keep some ministries for our locals to helm. Cannot give all positions to foreign talents, Singaporeans and locals must come first. Hope AEC would not put too many of out ministers out of job, being replaced by foreign talents.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Singaporean bashing Round 2
Singaporeans are up for bashing again by Singaporeans that think they are immigrants or anglophiles. An article in the Mypaper titled, “‘Us and them’ drag us down’, gave a no holds bar attack against Singaporeans by a group that is noted for Singaporean bashing. They share the same mindset and together they supported and reinforced each other’s view that Singaporeans are to be blamed for being ungracious to foreigners. William Wan even identified himself as immigrant to take side with the foreigners. We were immigrants and are one of them.
Do the immigrants think that they were one of us? The angmohs have been pretty cocky, vicious and arrogant in how they made fun of Singaporeans, teasing Singaporeans with racist remarks, threatening Singaporeans in broad daylight and beating up Singaporeans as a past time. Did any Singaporean do such things to the angmohs? Did any of these angmoh lovers make any vile remarks against the Singaporean beating angmohs?
And as for the very nice foreign workers, they burnt our police cars, rioted and beaten up the Singaporean drivers and bus attendant and put all the blame on them for their rioting, causing loss of properties and disturbing the peace. And now our police are even the target of attacks, for being incapable, incompetent and poor leadership in managing the riot.
Why is it the fault of the police when the rioting was committed by foreigners? Why is it the fault of Singaporeans for being angry with so many foreigners here and growing impatient and intolerant to their abrasive and boorish behavior and invading our space? Why is there no criticism of foreigners cheating on Singaporeans, sacking and replacing Singaporeans in PME jobs with their own kind? Why is it tolerated when foreigners practiced discrimination in the industries by hiring their own kinds in our very own country?
Pauline Straughan even commented, ‘when things get rough and tough in Singapore, it is easy to blame outsiders’. What this group of elite or academics is doing is exactly the opposite. When things get rough and tough, it is so easy to blame the Singaporeans. And the whole gang is whacking Singaporeans, particularly the netizens for the ‘rudest and vilest of comments’. Are these worst off than what the likes of Casey Anton did? Are these worst off than Singaporeans being threatened by foreigners, with a burly angmoh chasing a young NS man into lift and choking his neck, threatening him with bodily harm, and walking away like he owned this island? Are these worst off than those cocky and aggressive angmoh cyclists threatening to beat up Singaporeans on the road, in defiance of the law?
And there is this Christine Leong saying, ‘Just because the streets and public transport are getting more congested, people get annoyed and want to find someone to blame for this, and the first group that comes to mind are the foreigners’. Is that unexpected when the average Singaporeans would have to push their way into the trains with the foreigners and to smell their smelly armpits and tolerate their loud talking in the confines of the train? And many of our oldies and young women would have to stand while the young and tough foreigners enjoyed their ride sitting?
People living in ivory towers and a different lifestyle that hardly have to bear with the antics of the foreigners could talk cock like in the academia. If they were to encounter the foreigners day in and day out, and be victims of their nonsense, threatened or beaten by them, lost their jobs to the foreigners, would they be talking such nice cock and bull stories?
Yes, I must agree that Singaporeans should not blame the foreigners. Singaporeans should blame the policies that brought about the influx of foreigners and be victims of the foreigners. But no, it is not just the policies that made Singaporeans see red. It is the people that made the policies that the Singaporeans should be angry with. It is the people that condone the academics and elite to bash Singaporeans because of their bad policies that should be the target of Singaporeans’ anger.
For the past centuries, Singaporeans have been very kind and inviting to foreigners. And they still do except when their privacy, dignity and safety are violated. They have the right to be angry when these things happened to them. And the true blue Singaporeans are born here, not immigrants. Your forefathers may be immigrants, without a country, starting off as foreigners, not even citizens. Now we are citizens of this island, our country. We are not immigrants and we want to have a say in the number of immigrants being brought in and how they behave and how they treat Singaporeans. Bad foreigners must be kicked out of our island, be it that they are very nice angmohs and very nice foreign workers.
The people’s tolerance for the foreigners is being tested daily and they are losing their patience. The people’s tolerance for being bashed by our own kind, blindly in support of foreigners, in defending the rights of foreigners but ignoring the rights of Singaporeans, is also being tested. Singaporeans would soon turn to this group of people who think of nothing but bashing Singaporeans for all the wrong reasons except for their fond of foreigners. And they can choose to be immigrants and called themselves immigrants for all they want. The true blue Singaporeans would not tolerate their cock and bull remarks and disgraceful comments against the good nature Singaporeans in general.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The shifting and changing intolerance
We were once an immigrant country. We have the blood of immigrants. A stroke of luck, we became the owners of this island that we made it our home. We were generous to foreigners coming here. We welcomed them and extended our hospitality to them. Practically every foreigner who sat foot here went home in praise of our generosity.
When foreigners were small in numbers, when they came as tourists and just passing by, things were good for both them and us. They came to enjoy our little island paradise. We gave them a pleasant stay and a happy memory to bring home. They came and they left fulfilled.
As more and more foreigners came and stayed, things changed. We started to feel some annoyance and irritations in the beginning. But never mind, the govt said we should welcome them for all the good reasons. The govt did not tell us the bad reasons and the consequences of having too many foreigners living with us.
From rushing for a seat in the train, a seat in the hawker centre, we find that we had to compete with the foreigners for living space. Our space has been invaded. We need to share our space with the foreigners. The level of tolerance fell. They are becoming more than an irritant.
And more came. We suddenly woke up and realized that we had to compete with foreigners for jobs, for housing, for education, for the right to earn a decent living, for everything. The level of tolerance became intolerable. But we were polite, we bowed our heads, gave way to the foreigners. Many PMEs resigned to their fate to become taxi drivers and security guards. They deserved it as they had given up the fight. We gave way, we gave up our better lives and jobs to let the foreigners have a better life.
The foreigners were very nice people. When they were new, small in numbers, they were polite and a bit fearful of the owners of the land. They gave way to us, avoided offending us. Things started to change when their numbers increased, when they became familiar with the system and the docile owners. They started to get annoyed with our presence. We became an irritant to them.
They even ganged up to steal our jobs, our space, took our convenience for their convenience. Now they even discriminated against us, the owners of the land. They told us they were smarter, cleverer, and they were here to help us. They started to despise us. They thought they were superior to us, they have every right to be in this land of ours. We must give way to them. If we are not happy, they told us to move out.
The arrogance became rudeness, became offensive. They did not like us and did not have to like us. They did not like our presence. They even gave us the hostile stare in the trains like we should not be there. They called us xenophobic.
The foreigners are getting intolerant of us, the citizens, the owners of this land. The Little India Riot is not going to be the last. When they are big in numbers, there is nothing to stop them from beating us, from violence, from rioting, and worst.
The intolerance level has changed, the intolerance has changed side. They cannot tolerate our way of life, our cooking, our festivities, the noise we created. The foreigners, because of their numbers, and the docile and daft Sinkies allowing them to do as they pleased, are growing intolerant of us, the citizens here.
What’s next? Would they be thinking of chasing us away, the citizens, out of our homes, our country? Can you believe that? Threatening citizens, shouting at citizens and beating citizens? In the trains they would rush for the seats first, ignoring the citizens. They have become very comfortable here, too comfortable with the daft citizens. They can makan the citizens. The citizens must not offend them or else.
Welcome to the new 3rd World?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10m population – Crossing the line of diminishing return

Liu Thai Ker’s keynote address at a forum organised by the Business Times of SPH in collaboration with Singapore Institute of Building Limited yesterday (31 Jul) is drawing unusual flaks in the social media. He is singing the same sick mantra of growing population for economic growth and wanting more immigrants in the little island. More than 160 comments (in TRE) have been posted in the thread about the 10m population that Liu Thai Ker said was needed for Singapore to be a sustainable country. If this belief is true, Singapore would have perished long ago and all the small countries should not exist.

The netizens were not angry with Liu Thai Ker personally. But for him to repeat this folly is just unbearable. And they are looking for a scapegoat to vent their anger. Liu Thai Ker was in the right place to take the blows. To have 6.9m or 10m or 20m is just a matter of adjusting to a life in a more dense piece of rock. Can, sure can. The people would also become denser or be condensed.

It is not a matter of can or cannot. It is a matter of whether the people want to go down that road. It is not even a matter of being sustainable or not sustainable. There are many schools of thoughts on this and no one is wiser. It is not an absolute solution that we go this way or we will perish. Come on, is there a genius out there that can be sure of this, that there is no other ways?

By the same belief, I would not even grant it the privilege of calling it a logic, the Australians must be dumb to have so few people in a continent bigger than China, India or the USA and with a population of about 20m. The economists for growth will be screaming ‘fools’. The architects and property developers will be shaking their heads for the lost opportunities to build more buildings and fill up the land with more people. Wonder who is crazy?

Why do we want to keep building and building and to add more and more people into this piece of rock? What for? Oh, economic growth! We have gone pass the law of diminishing return when every extra effort will give smaller and smaller returns. We are in a new level, a level when every extra effort, or increase in population, will lead to an increase in pain. The more people we put into the island, the higher will be the cost of living, the stress on the socio eco system, the infrastructure and the demands on the people. It will lead to more stress and more pain, on the people and on the systems and structures.

Those who are living in the confines of 50,000 sq ft properties would not know or feel that this is happening. Some wise crackpots are even telling the people that living in 600 sq ft flat for a family of 4 or 6 is fine, no drop in the quality of life. We used to have that kind of environment in the 50s and 60s, 8 or 10 people living in a cubicle. That was the quality of life. They escaped the squeeze by spending time outside the cubicles. Today the people are better off with aircon comfort in shopping centres and the great pubs and nightspots.

The people are saying they did not want this kind of squeeze. Why should their lives be screwed by a few people who want to push this belief through, even got it rubber stamped in Parliament? The govt has heard the cries and the felt the anger. But it seems to choose the deaf frog way, not wanting to listen and now we have a line up of snake oil sellers paraded to sell this koyok of more population. Who is the crazy one? The people must decide on this. The people have rejected the PWP. If the govt wants the moral authority to carry this through, it must call for a referendum before destroying this island for the Singaporeans and their children. Turning a deaf ear is not a solution. This is the people’s call, not the call of a handful of individuals, and definitely not the call of snake oil sellers.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

6.9m dream scuttled by Fukushima
The talk of 10m population is getting to sound sillier after Fukushima. Now 6.9m is already out of synch when nuclear power has been put on the back burner. The basic factors to support a big population in a resource poor island, not enough water, no indigenous food supply and power sources like oil, geothermal heat, hydropower, etc are simply not there to sustain a big population. Nuclear power was thought safe and feasible to fulfil such megalomanic dreams of 6.9m or more population. This has been ruled out since the fallout of Fukushima confirmed that nothing is safe as the snake oil sellers would want you to believe.
Without nuclear power, with a near total dependency on foreign sources of food supply, one cannot imagine how serious would be the socio economic problems the island with face in an energy or food crisis when the population is 6.9m or more.
Everyone snake oil seller is talking about the economic growth arising from bigger population. But what would a bigger population demand from the system to be sustainable in the long run? The assumptions, continue prosperity and economic growth leading to a strong dollar to buy all the food and energy needed. Other assumptions, food supply and the cost of energy are stable, cheap and reliable. Any fluctuations in these supplies could bring down the whole socio economic system like a pack of cards.
Small or big have their advantages and disadvantages. Both are like knives that could cut both ways. Perhaps a major health epidemic like the Ebola could wake up those having sweet dreams that all is well and the bigger the population the better things will be. A hit by something like Ebola will be unimaginable in a dense city state full of people. The only advantage is that a bigger population will see more victims but also more survivors after the plight is over.
The 6.9m dream may have been scuttled by Fukushima. But more snake oil sellers are appearing and advocating for bigger dreams. How would 10m or 20m stand when 6.9m is unsustainable without nuclear power? Really we have so much money to buy all the fuel we need to support 10m people?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First generation PRs no need to serve NS, but second generation…
Many people have raised the issue of first generation PRs not serving NS. Some even deliberately opt to become citizens after a certain age to avoid NS. But if I am not mistaken, the often repeated defence to this policy is that the second generation of PRs or citizens would have to serve NS. This took away some of the vehemence of NSmen for the time being. Finally their children would have to serve NS.
This is what I have believed, rightly or wrongly. Now there is an article in TRE that told a different story. Maybe I have been mistaken all the time. According to this article, ‘PRs who fail to serve NS face serious consequences’, the children of PRs can opt not to be PRs and stay here under student passes. I swear this is new to me. Blame me for being ignorant. I quote an elaboration of what this means in the same article.
‘Foreign expats’ sons go for Student Pass instead
Due to the stringent tightening of NS policy especially after the PAP Govt suffered a GRC loss in the last election, foreign expats will now tend not to apply PR for their sons. Their sons are put on student pass so as to avoid NS and work or study issues later.
A good example is former Indian national and now new Singaporean citizen, Raj. During an interview with TOC [Link], Raj revealed that only he in the family has converted to Singaporean citizenship. His wife and daughter remain as PRs and his son is on a student pass.
Raj said that if his son was a PR, he would need to serve NS. He preferred to “let his son decide if he wanted to put his roots down in Singapore or go back to India when he turns 21″.
The benefit of having his son on a student pass is that his son can always work in Singapore later as a “foreign talent” and eventually become a PR himself. He will not be considered a second-generation PR since he was not sponsored by his parents in the first place. A second-generation PR who gives up his PR is barred from working or studying in Singapore.
Raj said, “We have friends who are from India as well as Singapore. My kids must grow up knowing their roots and our Indian culture, so we purposely go out of the way to stay connected with our friends from India, especially those from our own hometown.”
“Living and adjusting to so many different races of people is a very big challenge,” he added.
Raj chose to let his children study in the Global Indian International School instead of a local school.’
There are two points to this quote. One, PRs indeed had the option for their children not to serve NS. Another point is that they do not think our policies of having the four major races learning their own languages and roots are good enough to retain their own culture and need to go back to absorb their own culture in their mother land. Also, they are not going to sink roots here as their children would not be one of us.
Does this not defeat the objective of having immigrants to be one of us, to be rooted here? We would end up with a transient families and more old folks problems if their children would not want to be citizens.
Why like that one?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A different kind of reserves
Our national reserves, the money type, is going up and up, more and more, and no one knows how much is enough. The more the merrier. We could be sitting on more than a trillion dollars today. Not enough, sure not enough. More would be added every year and when we hit $2 trillion or $5 trillion, it will still grow and grow. There is no limit to what is enough.
We have another kind of reserves that are dwindling by the day. It gets lesser and lesser, smaller and smaller. Maybe because no one actually refers to it as national reserves, so losing it is ok. Actually not losing is, but transforming it into other more valuable assets is ok. I am referring to our land, the natural reserves, the parks, the green lungs and land that are not highrise.
There are some numbers like a certain percentage to be kept according to the planners. And this number is always getting smaller. No one actually says or is fighting for our land reserves to grow bigger. Any piece of reclaimed land is already chopped for use even before it is ready or reclaimed.
It may be nice to include our land reserves into the formula for national reserves to enjoy the privilege of growing and growing, or at least untouchable, cannot take out, or after taking it out, must put back with interests. Then we will have our land protected and even grow bigger. If not, our land and the reserved land will risk being used up for economic growth. We need the space, the fresh air, the option to be with nature, with the trees, the birds and the grass and rivers.
The land has more values than just being converted to industrial or commercial uses. They are our national reserves, to be kept and better to grow bigger. Unfortunately its fate is reversely proportional to economic growth or population growth. Can’t imagine how much of our land were be left as reserves when 6.9m or 10m becomes a reality.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Citizenship to those who see Singapore as home
I read a post in the ST suggesting giving citizenship to immigrants who see Singapore as home written by a Maria Socorro and Tan Poh Chin. My immediate reaction is that there are at least 20m people out there wanting to make Singapore home and another 20m wanting to come here to make their piles. So, how to accommodate the demand?
Under the present policies, no problem. Out door is wide open and we are talking about 10m. Adding another 10m into the numbers is just arithmetic. And with a population of 20m, our economy will be 4 times the current size and everything will go up in value by 4 times.
The authors did qualify by what they meant of people who see Singapore as home. The condition is a 10 year residency in the island. I think this is a reasonable suggestion. It puts value to our citizenship. And those PRs who did not want their children to do NS should be immediately struck of the list. Otherwise every ‘prostitute’ could easily walk in to be a citizen. Maybe we like the company of prostitutes.
The authors also suggested for a regime of tests and interviews for the right to be a citizen. This sounds sensible as well. But what if all the talented immigrants said this is bad and threaten to go elsewhere how? I think this is a problem if the intent is to flood the island with 10m population. It will send fear to the policy makers. Think they will go down on their knees and beg the prostitutes not to go to other better places. There are just so many good places that the prostitutes would be welcomed and our little island would be last on their list. We better lay out the red carpet and grab anything that walks past our door, prostitutes, fakes or whatever, we need the numbers for economic growth.
So, no need to waste time talking about stringent conditions. Just like the MNCs, they will threaten to move out of the island. That is a frightening thought. The island will be empty without their presence as no one else would be interested to come. We are just a beggar and we have nothing to offer. Beggars cannot be choosers. Everything here is fake and not worth a cent. We should not think too highly of ourselves as a 1st World city. Even 3rd World prostitutes will despise us and threaten us.
What do you think? All the long queues at our door would disappear because we are choosy and not worthy of prostitutes?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2014 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NASA- The end of the world again?
‘With rising population, depleting natural resources and stretching social divide, civilization could be facing collapse within the next few decades, according to a scientific study funded by NASA. And if you think this is a load of scaremongering, it’s happened before. Remember the Roman Empire?
In the report conducted by applied mathematician Safa Motesharri, his “Human And Nature Dynamical” (Handy) model claims “the process of rise-and-collapse is actually a recurrent cycle found throughout history.”....
Our modern world might appear to be pretty sure of itself, with advanced technologies helping people live longer and revolutionizing everyday life, but this might be to blame. Using his theoretical model, Motesharri explored several factors and ran different scenarios that could lead to the collapse of industrial civilization, and found a breakdown of society could arise from rapid global population growth and unsustainable resource exploitation.
And as resources are depleted, they will become more expensive. This is where he further states that “economic stratification” — where society is further divided based on wealth — will create “Elites” (rich) and “Masses” (poor), with the Elites being responsible for over-consuming, leaving the Masses in famine....’
The above is extracts of a commentary posted in The Real Singapore. It quoted the source of this report as from a mathematician, Safa Motesharri, from NASA. How could this be true? We are still trying very hard to grow our population from 5m to 10m and some wanting more. Where got population explosion, where got problem with depletion of resources?
I think this Moesharri guy is referring to the rest of the world except Singapore. Singapore got all the resources money can buy, all the land to take in another 10m people and all the advanced technologies to make life even better. The rest of the world’s civilisation may perish but not in Singapore. Maybe that is the reason why all the billionaires are flocking here. Singapore will not expire because of population explosion or lack of resources.
We need more population for growth, so said our experts. What is this nonsense about the end of the world? Don’t believe in NASA. Obviously NASA did not have the best talents on earth. They are all here in Singapore.
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