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redbean



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Malaysian Revolution continues

Just a matter of a few months back you would not believe that it can happen. Two muslim groups and the Mufti of Perlis, Asri Zainul Abidin, are speaking out to defend the arrest of Chinese journalist and Chinese DAP parliamentarians under the ISA. The racial divide is breaking down and the different races are finding a common ground as Malaysians.

This is impossible and unimaginable. And it is happening. The mindset of the Malaysians of all races are changing. The voodoo spell of UMNO has been cast away. Malaysians are uniting as one people for a new Malaysia.

And all of a sudden UMNO is looking like a bankrupt political party, running out of ideas except threats of violence and the abuse of police authority.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:24 am    Post subject: There is no compromise in Islam you are all kafir Reply with quote

Don't count your chickens!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, OK. But wish them all the best.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The widening racial divide

The pain is hurting more with each day passing in Malaysia. The discrimination against the non Malays continues and will continue as a govt policy with BN in charge. Malaysia under the BN is determined to rule the country on the basis of Malay and non Malay. And the ethnic minorities suffer in silence, for too long. But the silence has been broken and they are standing up to say no to such discrimination.

Hindraf is playing an increasingly important role in this fight against racial discrimination and suppression, against economic freedom and freedom to choose a way of life.And they are going to sacrifice for the cause with more martyrs to be imprisoned or to be harmed in the process.

As the BN continues to build up its Malayness in a country when the Malays is not really an absolute majority, the ridiculous nature of this Malayness is now being exposed. Most of the champions of Malayness are not Malays themselves. Many are Arabs, Indians and Indonesians in orgins. And many have mixed ancestries. The point is more sore when many are new immigrants in the country compare to the ethnic minorities who have set roots here a few centuries back.

The people are questioning this Malay formula. What is so Malay about being Malay? As long as the ruling BN continues with this half past six formula to cling on to power, Malaysia will continue to be divided as a country for years to come. Instead of becoming more Malaysian, it is becoming more Malay. Actually this is also a fallacy, it is not becoming more Malay but more rojak Malay. For the new Malays are not Malay in the strict sense but descendants of mixed ancestries.

Who is a Malay? And the real bumiputras, the original natives of the land, were also beside sidelined. The Orang Aslis, the Dayaks, the Dusuns, the Ibans and the many tribes in East Malaysia, they do not enjoy the kind of privileges and attention the so called 'Malays' are enjoying. Would the real bumiputras stand up for their rights and rightful place in the country and chase away the pretenders?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only way the minorities can hope to have any success is to fight from within. That will take time.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:02 am    Post subject: Working from Within Reply with quote

rb, has my message been to subtle? The minority Tamils and Chinese, in order to gain influence in the politics of Malaysia, assume that they are true Malaysians, will have to work from within, not from without. In other words they will have to convert to Islam, and then change things that way, or submit to Islam as 2nd class citizens. The trouble is that by converting they could easily be absorbed instead of instil changes. So the converts must have a determined long term plan. That is Islam.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Malaysian, Islam is only an excuse. The division is not about Islam but protection of tribal interests. But again, this tribal objective is further hijacked by a select group within the tribe to promote their own selfish interests.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Call it what you like but this tribal custom has existed since the time of Mohammad, 1400 year ago. It is still their way of life today and tomorrow. It is the duty of all orthodox Muslims to seek to destroy Dar al Harb for ever. Unless you can understand this concept you will never compete with Islam so long as you are not Muslim.

Just think, has any Islamic lands shrunk in size? No!( Examine Palestinian problem.) Has the Muslim demography shrunk? No! Have they always insisted that the Muslim way of life must be fostered and protected even in Christian lands? Yes! Will they force their culture (Islamic) culture on the native populations wherever possible when their numbers have exceeded 3% t0 5%? Just look at France, Holland, Belgium, Scandinavia, Britain, and see for yourself what is happening.

No, multiculturalism, and libertarianism are the enemies of western democracy. Think about it!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UMNO will still be UMNO

I thought after the General Election UMNO will really reinvent itself to be more national than communal. And the PM to be also called for big changes to remain relevant.

Yesterday's election of Khairy as the new UMNO Youth chief confirms that UMNO will still be the same UMNO. Nothing will change UNMO. It will be what it was and will be today and tomorrow. The kris was wave and kissed again. It was handed to Hishamuddin by non other than Khairy, who looks like having a higher potential to use it.

Good luck UMNO. Good luck Malaysia.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just look at it this way, if you were a Bumiputra, and enjoy all the benefits, and protection of the pro-Islamic legislation in Malaysia, why would you ever want to dilute UMNO or allow anyone else to barge in on your privileges? You would be crazy to share your advantage with anyone else.

So, if you think it is unfair, then you got to take it away from them. How? That should be obvious.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I have just seen:

"10:57 GMT, Thursday, 26 March 2009

Malaysian leader in stark warning


Mr Abdullah said Umno faced "a life and death situation"
The outgoing Malaysian prime minister has called for the main ruling party to "come to its senses and reform", to fight its plunging popularity.
Abdullah Badawi said Umno would perish if it continued to silence critics, jail opponents and discriminate against minority Chinese and Indian races.
His former deputy, Najib Razak, has succeeded Mr Abdullah as Umno leader, and is expected to take over as PM.
Umno is central to the ruling National Front coalition, in power since 1957.
But Abdullah Badawi came under strong pressure to stand down after leading the party last year to its worst ever election performance, ceding control of five of Malaysia's 13 states to the opposition."
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This came from the anthropologist team from one of the Aussie university.
As far as I know, it is genuine, considering where it came from.
Have a read and see what you think.

SUBJECT: HARI INI DALAM SEJARAH

The Truth Revealed (with evidence)!

In June 1998, the government of Malaysia had hired a team of experts
from all over the world to be gathered here in Malaysia for a research
project to compliment the history studies that we undertook in our
secondary school.

The objective of the research is simply:
1. To find proof and evidence that show the Malays were the origins of
Malaysia and they were the first race and religion that landed their
feet in Malaysia.

2. To further strengthen their claims, first they need to find the
graveyard of the Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, Hang Lekiu and others.. to
show the existence of their pioneers.

3. The Batu Bersurat in Terengganu, reveals that the islamic religion
has landed in Malaysia for more than a hundred years ago which further
strengthen their claims!

BEWARE & OPEN YOUR EYES!!! Go and ask your brother, sister, niece,
nephew etc. Since the year 1999 (if i'm not mistaken) or year 2000, do
they study about HANG TUAH anymore?

Why is that popular subject GONE? Missing in action? or evidence
reveals something else that caused the government to stop the syllabus
and HIDE the TRUTH?

Here are the Evidences of the findings by the team of scientists,
archaeologist, historian and other technical staff from the United
States, United Kingdom, Germany, Canada, Yemen & Russia.

The evidence are:

1) They finally found the graveyard of Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat and
others, their skeletons had been analized and samples of DNA taken
with the results showing: Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, Hang Lekiu and mates
were NOT MALAY!!! They were CHINESE origins (islamic) from China!!!
Why were they here in Malacca? If you go back in history, you would
know that they were on a mission to protect the UNGRATEFUL MALAY
Sultanate from the frequent attacks by the Kingdom of SIAM (Thailand).
So Hang Tuah was not a Malay hero! They were the protectors of the
useless and ungrateful Parameswara (who was from INDONESIA) who landed in
Malacca and claimed that the land belonged to him!

Hang Tuah and friends were all from China, they were being assigned to
the Malacca Sultanate because Parameswara requested the Ming Dynasty
Emperor for protection! Hence, the rich historical heritage of the
Babas & Nyonyas were being closely linked to the Seven Voyages to the
Western Oceanby Admiral Zheng He who incidentally was a Chinese
Muslim himself!

That's why the Hang Tuah series of history is MISSING from the
Malaysian SEJARAH today!

Note : Remember Princess Hang Li Poh ? - All surname 'HANG'

Second Evidence:

The researchers hired by the government found the oldest tombstones
(graveyard) in Kelantan in year 2000. Suprisingly, the tombstones were
at least 900 years old! Older than the so-called Batu Bersurat. And
the interesting thing was that they all belonged to the CHINESE!

Being landed first in Malacca doesn't mean Malay is the first in
Malaysia because during that time, the road was too long or
undeveloped for them to reach or see the other side of the coast where
the Chinese had landed much earlier. If you want the hard evidence of
what the truth of the Research reveals, please write to The Federal
Association of Archaeology & Research of Michigan, USA.

This is a good reason to remind the Bumiputras NOT to ask the Chinese
or Indians to go back to their Motherlands because the evidence had
shown that Malays were NOT the original people of Malaysia! The Truth
Revealed (with evidence) and anthropologists have yet to ascertain if
there was indeed a Malay race!

I received the above in an email. My take on the article is that the Malays did not have such a surname 'Hang'. If I am not mistaken, Adm Zheng He was a muslim from Hainan Island and probably a Hainanese. Han is a common surname of the Hainanese. 'Hang' or Han could be just a slip in the spelling and could be the same. Could Hang Tuah be Han Tuah, Hang Jebat be Han Je Bat and Hang Lekiu be Han Le Kiu? Possible?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RB, you should track down the source and publish the URL, it could lead to further resesarch. Knowing SEA, I do not doubt those findings.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry elle, I have deleted the email. But googling on Hang Tuah and Hang Li Po will lead you to several discussion sites on the same issue, and perhaps to the report.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This maybe?
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/malaysia/TNLIFITT35J9GV19R

also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hang_Tuah
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