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Grunt



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The difference are clear and bright !

On one side you have the unsound, infirmed and unproductive.
Which do no contribute but only wants handouts.

One the otherside, you have the supposedly highly intelligent with
very farsightedness as well as the top producers this country could
ever have.

Think, who could reach the Billions easier and faster ?

Darwin principle rules .... survival of the fittest .........
as they had always reminded you stickheads ...

" NOBODY OWES YOU A LIVING " ... much less taking care of you !

So, lead by example is what the young will truly learn.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When brutal truth is celebrated or calmly accepted. It is like the NKF case. There is really no wrong doings except for a little slip like asking a client to submit an invoice for a gratuity payment. If the payment were actually approved by the board it will be perfectly fine.

So you see, there is no guilt nor any need for anyone to apologise. What were more commendable were the efficiency and professionalism in fund raising and the turning around of a small charity into a big and rich organisation like it is now.

We shall celebrate abilities and reward them handsomely. I agree. The earlier people acknowledge the brutal truth as a way of life here, the better. $260 a month is enough for society's pests.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No need for CPF

Why is there a need for CPF? Singaporeans have been so used to this concept that even when they lay dying on their deathbeds they will still find it not right for not having money in the CPF. They have this mindset that is conditioned overtime to accept things without questioning. And this stupidity extends to all levels. Canít disagree with Li Ao.

CPF is a saving for retirement. It is money that one sets aside and needs when one is no longer working. When one retires younger, at 55, one needs more savings as one has more unproductive years ahead. When one retires at an older age, the savings needed should be proportionately smaller. And if one is to work till one dies, say at 70 or 80, why is there a need for a huge savings in the CPF?

Medical needs? Why should one be so obsessed about that huge hospitalization bill when one is past 60? All of us will die one way or another, sooner or later. After 60 it is fair game. What is the point of having $100k to be spent in a 30 day hospital bill and still alive but no job and no money? Or is this a justification to have $200k in the CPF?

Do we need to pay top dollars to idiots to tell us that we must keep on contributing money to our savings till the day we drop dead?

Setting aside the need for hospital bills, as one ages, the physical needs for food and other frivolous items will fall. One probably can hardly eat, hear or see and be lying in bed or slouching in a chair waiting for the maker to call.

Why should people in the 60s or 70s and working, be made to save more? At 55, and retiring, one has another 20 years to go. Working till 70, how many more years to go? Oh we need to save to live till 90. What crap? There is no need for more contribution to the CPF if one can work till he drops dead. A formula can easily be worked out to determine on a reducing scale, the amount of money needed for safety reasons so that a person can live on his savings without being a burden to the state.

The need for unlimited contribution to the CPF regardless of age is silly.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a time, when...

It was just 40 or 50 years ago. Not that long. But many of you may not be born yet. It was a time when the people in this island were mere travellers, merchants, passersby etc. Even the natives were not more than part of the flora and fauna of the landscape.

There was no such things as citizenship of the island. We were called subjects as in the English grammar. A sentence must have an object and a subject. That was what was written in my birth certificate. A subject, without the rights that come with a citizenship.

And the island was run, managed and control by expats, just like a hotel. yes, we were a hotel at one time. And our forefathers' lives were dictated by the hotel managers. They were allocated red subject zone, blue subject zone and green subject zone to live in. The choice part of the island were reserved for the hotel managers.

That is not all. Employment of plum jobs or jobs of some significance were the reserves of the expats. The subjects were at best employed as chief clerks. And the expats would handpick and favour a few of the subjects and elevated them to half their status, which was a great honour for the subjects.

And clubs formed by the expats were reserved only for the expats. Locals and subjects not allowed. Don't ever think of becoming a member of the SICC or the Singapore Cricket Club or any of the expat clubs.

Those were the days when the people of Singapore were denied citizenship status. And those were the lives of subject people without a country. Do we want to go back to those days and give away our citizenship and the rights of citizenship and become subjects or flotsams once again? Do we want our little piece of land to be turned into a hotel and we be kept out of it?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 more CDBs

Is this good news or bad news? From the point of generating income, it is good news. The designation of CDBs means charges for parking and car entry into the CBDs should go up. The prices of properties and rentals should also go up. So prices would generally go up. The economy will get a boost.

Net effect, many people and organisations would be well positioned to reap a windfall.

For the workers, there will be savings for transportations and travelling time, that is if they can relocate or find jobs nearer home.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raising withdrawal limits of CPF

According to Chua Mui Hoong in her article today titled 'CPF: The difference between 1984 and now', the 'Response to Mr Lim's minimum sum proposal has been quite muted...

Did she read what were posted in cyberspace or she just read what were posted in the MSM?

She should read Sammyboy Coffeeshop and YPAP forum for a start.

Response quite muted!!!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CPF - A bugging feeling

Cpf is the people's life saving for their retirement. By the ever increasing withdrawal age, it appears to be an elusive dream. Just when one is about to touch it, it slips away again.

The apparent slipping away act has led to many wild speculations that there is not enough money in the CPF. But the official position is to keep it a little longer for the people's own good. Hold it back a few more years, and the money will grow a bit more. It is such a nice feeling to know that one will have a big sum of money in the CPF at 90 if the withdrawal age ever reaches that number.

For as long as the purpose of keeping the money for old age is still tossed around as the reason, it may still be tolerable to some. What if the retention of CPF is to allow the funds to be used in some mavericks' investment schemes? There is this bugging feeling that the CPF is a cheap source of fund for investment. And the longer it is retained, more funds will be available to do a lot of things.

Th0ugh this may not be the case, people's imagination simply run wild. What would be most undesirable will be for people to incorporate CPF's savings into their financial planning. This will be contrary to what the CPF is all about. Investing CPF money should be a secondary objective, a kind of a need to grow the money since it is there. Not to make the funds available and withholding it from the people.

Now why would people think that this may be the case?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Memories of a property bust

It wasn't too long ago when property prices were driven sky high and let to a financial crisis. Then punitive measures were taken to curb the incessant demand and price increases.

It was just a bad dream. Don't bother with it. Now all efforts are channelled to build hi end world best properties and at ethereal prices.

Obviously many Singaporeans are not going to be beneficiaries to such exuberant enthusiasm. Several million dollars price tag are beyond the means of many Singaporeans. It is only for them to ogle.

Then build all these high end properties for who, for what? Is this the best way to use our scarce land resources? And the profits from such sales and developments, for who?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too much caring

Anyone who is working, irrespective of his age or income or wealth, must contribute to Medisave and CPF. This is good for them. For by the time they reach the elusive withdrawal age, not likely to be a fixed number, they can withdraw a few hundred dollars a month from their CPF to pass the day.

And very wealthy people like our millionaire bankers, property owners, ministers etc will benefit from this withdrawal, to keep them going on their retirement. How nice. I am sure people like Ong Beng Seng and Wee Cho Yaw or Quek Leng Beng or Ng Teng Fong would be very grateful. Their retirement pocket money is well conceived and protected. They will not run out of money.

Straight jacket?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brazen challenge of modesty

Below is a post submitted by a forumer.

On Saturday 30 JUN 2007 @ about 1045 am, i met my client a SIN PR @
East Coast hawker centre.

My client chose a seat (4person away from a Singaporean man) on same long bench. After buying coffee, i joined my client on the table.

That man turned towards my client and said somewhat in this manner " Excuse, my wife is coming back here, can you put your legs down...it is not nice."

My client was in his shorts & running shoes and i noted he was cross- legged while seated opposite me.

My client was shocked and so was i. My client muttered, "there is nothing indecent here .." I added to the man " there is nothing indecent here..you are acting out of jurisdiction..."

My client insisted i carry on our conversation on the property and not to be distracted. In fact, i wanted to address the man again, but my client said to ignore him, which i did as we had important issues to talk about the property.

The man man drove off first while me & my client continued our discussion
in the car-park. THe crux of issues was,... i do not think my client was acting indecently by crossing his leg which is very common. Besides it was a hawker centre not an air-con restaurant. Besides it is Saturday, it is encouraged that we do sports and take regular exercises.

Neither was my client out of syn in his choice of running short. It was a
decent running short. Why did the Man acted in this manner shocked me
till today.. I personally do not think we had escalated matters here but think there was a serious breach of individual freedom & ways which makes SIN an attractive place to do business and deemed us an international cosmoplitian society.

This incidence showed
a) imposing one's standard of dressing on another using decency issues to intimidate. Using a "so-called" sikit atas attitute to impose, frustrate and cause maximun anger.
b) Using the "wife" as the sufficiency of reason or to act as the actual barometer to issue a compliance to a fellow SIN resident. Is the wife the moderator of LAW & Compliance? Is the wife a walking judge issuing out arbitrary judgement based on his/her feelings of the day? Going around ticking people off for their behaviour based on his/her judgement...
c) my client is small built but he was decently dressed except in his running shorts.He is well travelled and had lived in many bigger cities elsewhere. He is a banker not a Ah Beng.
d) a form of extremism using method of intimidation through asking for
compliance over a matter which possibly could cause conflict and to put
challenge to the concept of racial harmony and/or written rule of Laws. .
Using a upper crust scholarly attitute imposing one's standard using
"decency" as a cover to disrupt harmony, rub society,imposing on one's
civil liberty rights; as an excuse for rights of engagement ; this causing
fractionalism & subtle anger to built up to disrupt another person's way of life.

I hope SIN will not head down this road where individual rule the street
using subtle methods of intimidation, imposing on other civil liberty rights and./or imposing on others their arbitary judgement.


The above post describes a normal outing that could turn ugly when another person starts to impose his values and conduct or morality on others. What is unacceptable to him may not be acceptable to others.

The danger is that it is very provocative and could start an argument or fight that could turn ugly. Every community and religious organisations should take it upon themselves to teach and educate their people to accept that in a multi racial society we must accept that other people are different and have different values and way of life. Modesty, morality, decency should be confined to one's own group and not imposed onto others. Obvious obscenity in the public is of course not acceptable.

I would like to goreng that man's pisang. Tolerance man!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brazen challenge on modesty

Below is a post submitted by a forumer.

On Saturday 30 JUN 2007 @ about 1045 am, i met my client a SIN PR @
East Coast hawker centre.

My client chose a seat (4person away from a Singaporean man) on same long bench. After buying coffee, i joined my client on the table.

That man turned towards my client and said somewhat in this manner " Excuse, my wife is coming back here, can you put your legs down...it is not nice."

My client was in his shorts & running shoes and i noted he was cross-legged while seated opposite me.

My client was shocked and so was i. My client muttered, "there is nothing indecent here .." I added to the man " there is nothing indecent here..you are acting out of jurisdiction..."

My client insisted i carry on our conversation on the property and not to be distracted. In fact, i wanted to address the man again, but my
client said to ignore him, which i did as we had important issues to talk about the property.

The man man drove off first while me & my client continued our discussion in the car-park. THe crux of issues was,... i do not think my client was acting indecently by crossing his leg which is very common. Besides it was a hawker centre not an air-con restaurant. Besides it is Saturday, it is encouraged that we do sports and take regular exercises.

Neither was my client out of syn in his choice of running short. It was a decent running short. Why did the Man acted in this manner shocked me till today.. I personally do not think we had escalated matters here but think there was a serious breach of individual freedom & ways which makes SIN an attractive place to do business and deemed us an international cosmoplitian society.

This incidence showed
a) imposing one's standard of dressing on another using decency issues to intimidate. Using a "so-called" sikit atas attitute to impose, frustrate and cause maximun anger.
b) Using the "wife" as the sufficiency of reason or to act as the actual barometer to issue a compliance to a fellow SIN resident. Is the wife the moderator of LAW & Compliance? Is the wife a walking judge issuing out arbitrary judgement based on his/her feelings of the day? Going around ticking people off for their behaviour based on his/her judgement...
c) my client is small built but he was decently dressed except in his running shorts. He is well travelled and had lived in many bigger cities elsewhere. He is a banker not a Ah Beng.
d) a form of extremism using method of intimidation through asking for compliance over a matter which possibly could cause conflict and to put challenge to the concept of racial harmony and/or written rule of Laws. . Using a upper crust scholarly attitute imposing one's standard using "decency" as a cover to disrupt harmony, rub society,imposing on one's civil liberty rights; as an excuse for rights of engagement ; this causing fractionalism & subtle anger to built up to disrupt another person's way of life.

I hope SIN will not head down this road where individual rule the street using subtle methods of intimidation, imposing on other civil liberty rights and./or imposing on others their arbitary judgement.


The above post describes a normal outing that could turn ugly when another person starts to impose his values and conduct or morality on others. What is unacceptable to him may not be acceptable to others.

The danger is that it is very provocative and could start an argument or fight that could turn ugly. Every community and religious organisations should take it upon themselves to teach and educate their people to accept that in a multi racial society we must accept that other people are different and have different values and way of life. Modesty, morality, decency should be confined to one's own group and not imposed onto others. Obvious obscenity in the public is of course not acceptable.

I would like to goreng that man's pisang. Tolerance man!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what makes the Property Agent think that the MAN in questioned is a
Singaporean .......... the MAN showed him his NRIC ........................ ?

For all you know, he may be a PR from the same country of his client !
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Grunt,

A Singaporean could easily pick up a foreigner from a local. The distinct characteristics of a China Chinese, Hongkong Chinese, Indian Indian, Indonesians etc are easily identifiable. Even Malaysian Chinese can be identified if they are new here.

In this case I can assure you that the other man is a local. I have sanitised the post a little to make it less sensitive.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please return my money

This is about as far as what was suggested. Singaporeans should go down on their knees to beg the govt to return them their CPF savings. Have mercy, many have not seen anything more than $10k in their life and now that they have some money in their CPF, please return to them. Let them touch the thick wad of notes or feel the 5 digit number in their POSB passbook for once in their life time for they may not see tomorrow.

How long must the govt continue to father the never to grow up children? Or will the govt only let go when they are about to die?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Different kinds of equality

In communist country, all men are technically equal. So all gets about the same pay. And this is bad as the talented or more hardworking type will not want to work as they will be working like a fool and earn the same as those who refused to work.

In our case, everyone is equal in paying GST. All pays 7%. The rich may pay more by their higher consumption. And they are happy as it is a matter of choice and lifestyle. The poor, who are unable to make ends meet, also have to pay the same rate. Just too bad.

Everyone is equal and treated equally.
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