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Will Lebanon conflict esculate?

 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: Will Lebanon conflict esculate? Reply with quote

Hezbolla are defiant. Israel is adamant. The war in Lebanon could esculate, and the people of Lebanon will pay the price. Hezbolla has miscalculated the price for her defiance. see:

"Last Updated: Friday, 21 July 2006, 12:31 GMT 13:31 UK

Israel tightens grip on Lebanon

Israeli ground troops are pushing further into Lebanon
Israel has called up thousands of reserve troops and told civilians to quit southern Lebanon immediately, amid threats of a large-scale incursion.
Israeli troops are already fighting Hezbollah inside Lebanon and have been heavily shelling the border area.

The BBC's Jim Muir in Tyre says the sound of explosions is constant and with villages cut off and roads severed, people are in grave peril.

Meanwhile, Hezbollah rockets have again hit the Israeli city of Haifa.

The BBC's Bethany Bell in Jerusalem says that it is understood the Israeli reservists could fill in for troops in the West Bank and Gaza, releasing other soldiers to go up to the northern front.


The move has widened speculation that Israel is preparing for a large ground troop offensive.

Israeli Defence Minister Amir Peretz has warned that Israel is prepared to launch a full-scale ground operation if necessary, saying "we have no intention of conquering Lebanon but... we will do it without thinking twice."

The call up came as Israel dropped leaflets on southern Lebanon warning residents to immediately evacuate an area approximately 32 km (20-mile) wide. "


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who is at war with the Arabs or attacking Lebanon?

US in no hurry to seek Mid East ceasefire. This is the heading of Jonathan Eyal's article in the Straits Times. Isn't the Israelis' who are fighting the Lebanon? The Israeli soldiers are attacking, and are preparing to move into Lebanon. But in reality, it is a proxy war of the US.

Despite many calls from world leaders, including Kofi Annan, there was a stony silence and America just stand aside as if it is none of its business. But this is what Jonathan wrote,...

"The reality, as every diplomat in New York knows, is that the US is quite content to allow Israel another week or so to crush Hizbollah. The Americans' ultimate aim is to humiliate Syria and Iran, the countries it regards as Hizbollah's paymasters....

But the US is keen to avoid any spillover into a direct confrontation with Syria. The Syrians are merely to be kept in check and, if possible, lured away from their alliance with Iran."

There is no doubt as to who is the master of this show of force. And if the US continues to stamp its authority over the Arabs, the backlash will come. And it is gathering momentum across the world. Do not be surprised when US embassies will be hit and Americans become targets of attacks by the pro Arab groups.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the days get by, it is getting clearer who is fighting the war and who is the proxy. George Bush said that the goal of Rice's visit to the Middle East is to isolate Iran and Syria. Rice is now talking about a new Middle East created in the drawing boards of the White House and the old Middle East which is to be scrapped. The Americans have a bigger scheme of things in their bags.

And immediate ceasefire is a non starter. The Israelis still have a lot of work to do. And the US is rushing precision guided bombs to Israel. Now what are they going to hit next? The Chinese Embassy or the Russian's? Or perhaps the Iranians and Syrians.

The war is an American war for control of the oil, the Arabs and the Middle East and not simply about the terrorists. It is part of the gameplan of the Empire.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is very encouraging to hear that Syria said it will enter the war if Israeli troops enter Lebanon. But this Syrian display of Arab backbone will be in vain should the rest of the Arabs stay away. Syria cannot resist an attack from the Israelis/Americans. The combination is too strong for Syria alone.

Even with Iran joining in, it is still an uneven battle when the world's number one superpower is fighting on the side of Israel. It will need the combined effort of at least 5 or 6 Arab countries to be able to put up a respectable resistance against the Israelis. Otherwise, it will be another big embarrassment for the Arab coalition.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redbean wrote:
The war is an American war for control of the oil, the Arabs and the Middle East and not simply about the terrorists. It is part of the gameplan of the Empire.


The American oil companies do technically OWN a lot of the oil in the middle east. The world forgets that they were "bullied" out when the Arab states began their shennaigans in the 50's and 60s, re-negging on deals and breaking contracts of PRIVATE PROPERTY, thus causing severe losses for the US energy companies.

What the US govt should have done THEN was to give an ultimatum, then if that wasn't honoured, come in and occupy the offending Arab cuntries and reclaim the oil fields.

BUT...

What the US Govt did instead was to use the situation for political control.

Who lost out? The American consumer, the American oil companies, and the average Arab who would have had an increase in wealth because of extensive American capitalism in the area.

Who "won"? The US Govt—by increasing its power and influence, and the corrupt regimes of the Arab lands—the power-crazed puppets of the US.

The US Gov. is playing strategic game in this Israel-Lebanon thing. It is so obvious.

Anyway, I dun know about you folks, I'm enjoying the entertainment! Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few hundred years back, when all the natives were poor, divided, ignorant and backward, it was so easy to colonise, rule or even enslave them. Turn them to beast of burden, easily domesticated.

After the last world war, after nationalism fired up the natives to take charge of their own lives, after education gave them knowledge and some confidence to be humans, it is inconceiveable to think that the Americans and the Israelis could still think that might is right and it is possible and they are able to control whole tribes and nations of people simply by pointing a gun at them.

This war will never end until one tribe wipes out the other tribe or at least drives them away from the same piece of land.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are you talking about? Man's proclivity for war is the logical extension to the idea of organised groups, aka "politics".

The species has always been like that.

You forget, the "Flaming Sword Of Islam" preceeded the US and Israel. Israel itself is less than a century old. Syria, Lebanon, Egypt etc have been warlike for thousands of years.

Read your history lah! Laughing

In this case: the US is reclaiming the oil that is rightfully theirs, the Isareali's are avenging the "kidnapping" of their soldiers, and using that as an excuse to hammer Hezbollah—a terrorist organisation.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:24 pm    Post subject: LET'S NOT GET TOO SIMPLISTIC! Reply with quote

redbean wrote:
A few hundred years back, when all the natives were poor, divided, ignorant and backward, it was so easy to colonise, rule or even enslave them. Turn them to beast of burden, easily domesticated.


After the last world war, after nationalism fired up the natives to take charge of their own lives, after education gave them knowledge and some confidence to be humans, it is inconceiveable to think that the Americans and the Israelis could still think that might is right and it is possible and they are able to control whole tribes and nations of people simply by pointing a gun at them.

This war will never end until one tribe wipes out the other tribe or at least drives them away from the same piece of land.


A few hundred years ago, the Arab nations were poor and backward, and the people ignorant, and surpressed and controlled Muslims largely by the colonial European powers. The European colonialists wanted to exploit the natural resources of these countries. They(colonialists) made seismic explorations and discovered oil. They introduced the technology and know-how to exploit these raw materials. Then with humans falling in love with the motor car, the demand for oil became greater and greater, and indirectly wealth poured into the Middle East. It was the European Colonialists who benefitted from this with the spin-off going to the corrupt wealthy Arab families. The European colonialists still desired to manipulate the Middle Eastern Politics.

America was emerging as a successful industrialized nation, and after satisfying her own markets, were looking for new pastures. But everywhere she turned, she found that all the European colonial powers had their spheres of influence throughout the world well mapped out, and the USA was marginalized. America had somehow to break such monopolies and restriction of markets. She had to break the stranglehold of Colonialism.

So America screamed, and sabotaged, and subtefuged against Western European control of the World markets. (This is one reason she fears China today). So America screamed, "International Free Trade", "Anti-colonialism", get out of the Middle East, India, Indonesia, China, Hongkong, etc to free up those markets to America. But We, America, will hang on the the Monroe Doctrine, thank you! (Double Standards!)

So Independence spread from Morroco through the whole of the Middle East to Indonesia, and Hongkong and Macao. The Europeans made one last try: Suez. America made sure that that did not succeed and fought against it, with direct threats to that coalition. So the whole of the Middle East with the New Black Gold, and no one to control them felt it was time to show those bastards (colonialists) a thing or two. And what was better than to use the Sword of Islam to achieve this world dominance and control and to show the West two fingers? And they have done just that, with Al Queda, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Taliban, the Palestinian uprising, Hezbolla, the Saddam Hussein, the Syrian Ayatolahs, the Syrian intrigues and subtefuges, Iran's atomic ambitions, the atrocities in NY, Bali, Spain, Africa, London, you name it. They had the Black gold to buy armaments and technology and vent their revenge! Do they have reason to show this resentment for having been surpressed for hundreds of years? Are they going about it the right way?

Well, America schemed to kick out the European Colonialists, but left a power vacuum. The fundamentalist Islamist took over. The colonialists are not there to put the lid on it any longer. By default, America had created that job for herself, and it is proving very expensive and exceeding difficult. And rookie America has to learn to understand other ideologies, and cultures and diplomacy quickly in order to handle these critical situations. And America has been fumbling and in some ways making a bloody mess of it. Well, kids must learn and grow up!

I believe that my account is nearer to the truth of our current situation today. IMHO
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So now we know what the precision guided missiles are for. 4 UN observers killed and many wounded. And the UN observation post destroyed, by precision bombing of the Israelis.

Why are the Israelis attacking UN observers? Are they afraid of what the UN observers saw and reported back to the UN and for the world to know? This is another injustice that the world would have to live with when might is right, when the world's number superpower is behind Israel and the attack on Arab land.

America will lose its credibility in the eyes of the world and will eventually destroyed itself and can only hold on to its position by the sheer use of force. It no longer has any moral authority to talk about justice and fairness to all the downtrodden Arab countries and to the world. It is the most hypocritical nation on earth. An evil empire is an evil empire.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Is UN Neutral???????????? Reply with quote

redbean wrote:
So now we know what the precision guided missiles are for. 4 UN observers killed and many wounded. And the UN observation post destroyed, by precision bombing of the Israelis.

Why are the Israelis attacking UN observers? Are they afraid of what the UN observers saw and reported back to the UN and for the world to know? This is another injustice that the world would have to live with when might is right, when the world's number superpower is behind Israel and the attack on Arab land.

America will lose its credibility in the eyes of the world and will eventually destroyed itself and can only hold on to its position by the sheer use of force. It no longer has any moral authority to talk about justice and fairness to all the downtrodden Arab countries and to the world. It is the most hypocritical nation on earth. An evil empire is an evil empire.
Just suppose you assumption is correct, if you have observers, observing in a battlefield area, for possible violations of the "Rules of War" in order to take you to the European Court to try you for war crimes, then the UN are not neutral but looking for evidence against you. If that could be true, would you consider the UN a friendly ally, or would they be considered an accomplice of the enemy?

Personally I would blast them to HELL! Bloody traitors! They are not neutral! They are in the pay of Syria!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi elle,

I agree with you. If I were an Israeli commander, that would be exactly what I would do. It is war, justified or unjustified. And the role of the UN is more or less carved out for them. The attackers are the Israelis and the people under attack are the Lebanonese. The scene that the UN observers will be watching will be where the Israeli shells landed.

And Kofi Annan's outcry for his men is not an exaggeration or misguided judgement.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you agree, then the UN is a farce? It costs billions of dollars to run, it is corrupt, it is ineffective, it is biased, What is it for but to give a platform for people to practice the oratory skills?

Won't the money spent on running the UN be more effective in providing medical care to the poor, raise their standard of living a fraction, and let the Big boys brain one another senseless, because that is what they are going to do anyway? The UN is one huge White Elephant!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hahaha elle,

Nice thought. That's why they should put Chok Tong there as the next UN Sec Gen. He would clean up the place and introduce Singapore's work culture, ethics and incorruptibility in the UN. Not only that, the UN will also become a profit centre and making money from all its operations and aid programme. Nothing is for free.

It is biased alright. Everyone is looking after their own interests. The US just blocked a motion for an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon and Israel has pledged that it would intensify its pounding of Lebanon. What Israel and the US should do is to get a coalition of 20 or 30 countries and wipe out whatever they want to wipe out in Lebanon and put in half a million troops there, just like Iraq. There then will be some kind of security there and Israel will no longer come under attacks from Hezbollah.

And the Al Qaeda can activate all their cells around the world and start to hit at Israeli and American targets. That would be interesting. And since both sides are so keen to outdo each other, let them have a free hand to go all out to achieve their objectives. It will come to an end faster than if there are so many restraints facing them now.
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