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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Covid19 - Aren't Singapore lucky?
Singapore is so lucky not because the USA now has more than 330,000 confirmed cases of infection and we have less than 2,000. Singapore is lucky not because the USA and many countries have 10,000 or more Covid19 death when we only have 6. And no, Singapore is not lucky because we have the best millionaire politicians in charge of this pandemic.

Singapore is very lucky that this pandemic hits when it only has 5.8 million people in the island and has yet to build up to 6.9m. We are damn lucky that today we still did not have 10m or 20m population that some so called intellectuals are saying we could have them. Aren't Singapore so lucky that our problem is to manage the welfare of only 5.8m people in the midst of this horrendous pandemic? How would Singapore have fared today if there were 10m or 20m people in the island?

How much would be the infected cases, the number of death, the people going jobless, the amount of money needed to withdraw from the reserves to help the 5.8m people instead of 10m or 20m people? How much food and medical supplies and masks stockpile, hospital beds, medical staff, contact tracing staff, quarantine venues/facilities etc etc will be needed? Aren't Singapore lucky that someone is kind enough to let Singapore face this problem at this point in time and not later? Aren't Singapore so lucky to be given a preview of what kinds of problems it would face in the future with a population double what it is today?

This pandemic is like someone telling Singapore not to be greedy, not to be crazy, not to be so confident that it can manage a 10m or 20m population with a problem like this. This pandemic is not going to be the last. Many would come along and could be worse and the consequences and pains could be multiplied by the number of people in the island. This is a lesson to tell Singapore, while it still can change course, change its assumptions about growing and growing its population as if there are only benefits and not consequences in an unlimited and unrestrained population growth policy, that it cannot go down that path of no returns.

Aren't Singapore being so lucky that this has to happen now to pull the brake on its wild and reckless population growth policy, to be given time to seriously think about this wild ambition just to grow its GDP numbers by growing its population?

What do you think? Is Singapore lucky? This pandemic coming at this time is the kindest thing to happen to Singapore. Singapore, you have been warned well in advance, of your folly. Operate within your limits and not to bite more than you can chew. The mediocrity behind this non stop population growth policy is showing.

The latest one day increase of 287 is only the tip of the iceberg, only the eginning. Given the compact living space in the dormitories, given the foreign workers habit of close socialisation, enjoy close proximity, given that there are more than 300,000 of them here, once infected, a 30% infection rate is not too much to ask for. It could be 50%. At 30% we are looking at 100,000 cases. At 50% it is more than 150,000 cases. These are numbers that are not too far fetch from reality given the way this virus is spreading.

Prepare for the worse as this looks like inevitable. Do we have enough hospital beds, ventilators, medical staff, mortuary, masks etc etc? What would happen to the economy, joblessness, those who are living from paycheck to paycheck...?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Covid19 - New solutions needed to lower the fear of foreign workers
Migrant workers in Singapore are living in fear following a surge of coronavirus infections in their dormitories where they say cramped and filthy conditions make social distancing impossible....

One worker from Bangladesh, who lives in a dorm where there are several known infections but has not yet been locked down, told AFP social distancing to halt the spread of the virus was not possible.
“One small room with 12 people living together… how can we make social distance?” the labourer said in English, on the condition of anonymity.

He said hygiene standards were poor and workers were forced to use a communal cooking area and bathroom....

‘Recipe for disaster’ -There are about 280,000 migrant construction workers in Singapore who mostly live in self-contained dorms, with shops and other facilities on-site. They are often located in less desirable parts of the city, meaning they mix little with Singaporeans....

Writing on Facebook, veteran Singapore diplomat Tommy Koh said it should be a “wake-up call to treat our indispensable foreign workers like a first world country should, and not in the disgraceful way in which they are treated now”....


The above are extracts from an article about the fears of foreign workers written by Sam Reeves / Catherine Lai and posted in theindependent.sg

From the above comments it is clear that many things have to be done to improve the conditions of the foreign workers working in Singapore. The location and size of the rooms in the dormitories need to change. Locate them nearer to the city or more desirable parts of Singapore where Singaporeans lived so that they don't feel being isolated, distanced, not wanted, rejected. They need love and acceptance and want to live among the Singaporeans, like Singaporeans. The 12 persons to a room must go. They should live like Singaporeans, 2 to a room max. They are in first world Singapore and should be treated like first world people, living like first world people in healthy and decent living quarters. How can they be made to live like the Sin kehs in the early 1900s?

The vacated flats due for demolition under SERS would come in very handy to give a new life to the migrant workers. 280,000, using a 3rm flat for computation, with 4 in a flat, only 70,000 flats would be needed. This should not pose a problem to HDB. They can always build more if not enough. It would be a boost to the construction industry. Then we would have happy first world workers from third world countries living with first world Singaporeans... and a happy ending as they live happily together forever. And the risk of virus infection would also be lower.

Seriously, is this the solution? What if the foreign workers go up to 500,000 or a million or more with the growing population to sell more flats and to consume more of everything, including essential services policies to push for GDP growth, there may be a need to build a few new towns for foreign workers for them to live like Singaporeans and enjoy the Singaporean standard of living.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Covid19 - Is community spread threatening Singapore?
Community spread of this virus is starting to grow in Singapore. The above map is from theindependent.sg. Just before April Fool Day, things were still manageable with the spread limited and community spread still traceable. With the current state of affair, the task of contact tracing is huge, extremely tenuous to think the team could trace so many people in so many places. And quarantine them is another mammoth problem.

There were 233 new cases on 12 April, 167 with no links and nearly 30 clusters all over the island. And on 13 April a new record was hit, 386 cases with 94 unlinked cases, ie community spread. How did we get here, from gold standard to becoming the epicentre in Southeast Asia. If the rate of infection continues to grow, we will be there. At this point, with such numbers, containment is not going to be easy, even difficult. Singapore is likely to graduate from containment to mitigation.

There is this fear that the foreign workers could pass the virus to their girlfriends and cause a new front in the homes of Singaporeans. Contrary, the foreign workers could be infected by their girlfriends and brought the virus to their dormitories, to Mustafa Centre. Strangely, the infection rate of domestic maids is very low. Is it because they were not tested or few were infected?

How did Singapore, the envy of the rest of the world just a couple of weeks ago, deteriorated to this sorry state of affair? No, things still under control, the spread is not serious?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Covid19 - Singapore setting record with 728 cases in a day
SINGAPORE: Singapore reported a record 728 new cases of COVID-19 on Thursday (Apr 16), bringing the total number of infections in the country to 4,427. CNA

Singapore is setting new records everyday for new cases of infection. 728 is a number that no Asean countries ever seen. And this is happening in tiny Singapore with a population of less than 6m. As of today, only the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia have more cases than Singapore but not for long. Singapore's record breaking rate if maintained, would push Singapore ahead of them in a matter of days.

And on Friday another 623 cases bringing the total to 5050. Indonesia and the Philippines are just hitting 6,000. If this rate of increase is maintained, in two days Singapore would be more than Indonesia and the Philippines, the highest in Asean, number one in Asean.

This is going to put a lot of pressure on our limited resources and hospital facilities. This is going to put a lot of pressure on the govt to declare Dorscon Red, something they are very reluctant to do as it would not only affect commerce but also the possibility of holding a General Election. The Covid19 will now decide if a GE is possible in the next few months.

What is happening to Singapore in managing the Covid19 is a fairy tale turns bad. But what to do, it happened. Let's move on. What, you mean the GE is on? Oops, just asking aloud, not spreading rumours.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Covid19 - Singapore is the best place to be in for foreign workers
The Covid19 pandemic has brought out the good side and the ugly side of many countries. The Americans under the fumbling Trump who did practically nothing in January and February other boasting that the virus is under control in America, and the virus would ago away miraculously in April, but with more than 600,000 infected cases and more than 30,000 American death, he is now blaming and fighting with everyone.

He fought with the media and reporters, he fought with the governors, he fought with his team, and wanting to sack Fauci, his medical adviser and an expert in infectious disease. Then he turned international to blame China for his failures. Latest he blamed WHO and decided not to pay America's due to WHO in the tune of US$400m.

Many countries also showed their ugly sides by throwing out their migrant workers, leaving them jobless, without food and a roof over their heads, ie leaving them to die. Some were also deported.

The best place for foreign workers to be in at a time like this is Singapore. Singapore is doing everything possible to help the foreign workers here, feeding them, taking care of them, providing them free Covid19 testing, free hospitalisation, free medical care, and protecting their jobs. The PM even went on air to assure their families back home that they need not have to worry as the Singapore Govt is looking after them and would make sure they would return to them safely.

This is Singapore at its best. This is Singapore's Gold Standard in fighting this Covid19 pandemic. Singapore is an example for the world to follow. And every foreign worker would be tested, free of charge. Unlike in the USA, many would not be tested as they did not have enough test kits. Also, in the USA, testing for Covid19 cost US$200 even for Americans.

And oh, foreign workers in Singapore can complain to the govt about their poor accommodation and environment and the govt would listen to them and take appropriate actions to improve their lives. This would not happen in any other country in the world. Foreign workers would normally be left to their own devise and booted out of their countries when they become a nuisance or no longer useful.

See how good Singapore is for foreign workers. But please do not rush to come here. We are flooded with too many foreign workers and many are positive with the virus. If more foreign workers are to come, Singapore will be overwhelmed and there may not be enough of everything for Singaporeans.

Just be patient. After this thing is over, Singapore will open its doors again, wide wide, for 10m or 20 million people to come and live and work here.

I am not sure if the poor and jobless Singaporeans are treated that well, free food, free lodging, free medical, jobs protected, etc etc. So much sayang sayang.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Covid19 - Stupidity has no cure
A crowded MRT train on Apr 17, 2020, the first day of reduced transport services. (Photo: Facebook/Elvis Ezekiel Yap)
SMRT this photo was taken by my colleague on the North-bound train at Bishan at ~5.15 pm today...
You cut train frequencies to save cost...at a time when the gov is strongly advocating social distancing to stop the spread of COVID-19....how do you expect people to abide by social distancing rules when you don't help to create an environment to support the initiative ??

Above are two pics with attached comments from CNA. Both shows the crowded trains during Dorscon Pink aka circuit breaker period. The people who took the pics were exasperated at the cutting down of train frequency in view of more people working from home and the attempt to save operation cost.

Did the people making this decision to reduce the frequency of train not able to see that it would lead to more crowding when social distancing is the order of the day? Paying millions does not guarantee that you would not get monkeys.

With trains so crowded, how not to expect higher rate of infection?

PS. After all the complaints, SMRT is readjustment the frequency of the trains.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Covid19 - Singapore reports another 1,111 cases today to make 9,125 in total
Hsien Loong is going to talk to the nation again, at 5pm. Is he going to declare Dorscon Red?

Watch the news. Expect some more restrictions. The graph is going exponential.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Covid19 - A very tentative situation that can blow up
SINGAPORE: Some people are deliberately spreading fake videos to "foment trouble" in foreign worker dormitories, Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam said on Wednesday (Apr 29).
These videos can lead to serious law and order incidents, he said, adding that the authorities were watching individuals who spread the videos "very carefully" and will charge them if a crime was committed....
Mr Shanmugam said the authorities were watching the people who spread these videos and photos "very closely" and added "where it's clearly criminal, we will charge".

However, he declined to give details on how many people were being investigated for circulating such posts, only adding that they comprised both locals and foreigners.
Mr Shanmugam reiterated that such posts could lead to "serious" law and order situations, including a "riot-like situation".

"You can see that when people are together and they are not going out to work, a small spark can create a serious incident," he said, referring to the Little India riots that took place in 2013. CNA

I have read many racists commenting how bad the foreign workers here are being treated or mistreated, amounting to racism. In my earlier post I have commented that Singapore is the best place to be for foreign workers in a crisis like this, no need to work, full pay, free food, first class medical care by the best doctors in the world with doctors attached to the dormitories 7/24 to care for the foreign workers. And very safe no racial discrimination or ill treatment.

How could these racists be posting inflammatory articles, and now fake videos to incite the already tense situation in the dormitories when workers are living closely together 7/24? The boredom and lack of activity are already a challenge and there is no need to push them to the edge.

I hope Shanmugam meant what he said and arrest all the mischievous rumour mongers spreading lies and fake news that may lead to social unrest asap. It is going to be disastrous if there is a mass breakout from the dormitories. The numbers would be too big to handle for the police and the military even if they are called in. When one fugitive like Mas Selamat escaped, a few hundred policemen were activated to search for him. Can't imagine how many thousand men, police and soldiers, would be needed to put down an outbreak of tens of thousands of unhappy workers, frustrated, frightened and in a foreign land.

The confinement in so many dormitories of single men, mostly uneducated workers, is a tinder box that not carefully managed can just blow up. The situation can only worsen if bad people continue to incite and provoke these frustrated foreign workers holed up in the dormitories. There are just too many of them to take care of, a situation that should be carefully studied and reduced after this crisis is over. The island state cannot afford to be filled with so many foreigners, hungry men that could turn wild at the slightest provocation. When things are stable and peaceful, all is well as if it is so easy to manage, no problem. They are so nice. When the problem explodes, it is no joke. No one would be able to handle and control them. It would be hundreds of times worse than the Little India Riot.

The provocateurs must be arrested quickly, nip in the bud. Don't pray pray with hungry and potentially wild men in big numbers. Take very good care of them, sayang sayang them. To have so many of them in this little island, a few hundred thousands of them from practically one country or region, is the worse case of stupidity has no cure thinking.

Now Shanmugam would have sleepless night hoping that all is well.
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PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2020 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Covid19 - No foreign workers asking for an apology
In Parliament on 4 May, Nominated Member of Parliament (NMP) Anthea Ong asked Minister of Manpower (MOM) Josephine Teo if the government will apologise to the foreign workers for the Covid19 outbreak in many dormitories. Josephine Teo claimed "I have not come across one single migrant worker himself that has demanded an apology". Her remarks have been criticised by many netizens. There were some who felt there is no shame in apologising considering these workers have helped build many of Singapore's infrastructure. Others called out her lack of humility for thinking she did no wrong, and that an apology needs to be demanded before it can be given.

- More at AllSingaporeStuff.com https://www.allsingaporestuff.com/

I know this would happen sooner or later. I have avoided talking about it for good reasons, not to give people ideas to take a pot shot at the govt. Now that this is discussed in Parliament, the cat is out of the bag.

Yes, the foreign workers would not complain. They have no right to complain as the virus was in the air and they caught it somewhere, from who nobody knows. This is something that you cannot put a blame on anyone for spreading the virus to you unless the person did it deliberately by breathing or spitting into you, which means there is intent and malice.

However, this does not prevent super powers like India to demand not only an apology from our govt on the pretext of protecting their citizens, but primary to extort something out from this situation. Do not be surprised they will sue the govt for compensation. They think like the Americans, big power, carry big stick and wield it when to their advantage.


Let's see if this will happen and see how our govt would react to the mighty India, the next Number One super power. They would claim that their workers were not treated fairly, made to live together in small spaces. They may even suggest their workers should be given enough living space like the Istana or the homes of our millionaire ministers. Never mind if the workers were sleeping on the streets back home or squeezed together in little slum huts. They are in Singapore, first world city, and must live like first world people. Anything less is ill treatment, even a cause of violation of their human rights and human decency.

Be prepared to be sued by India and pay compensation or to give in for more demands in the next CECA negotiation in their favour. Be prepared to become a colony of India. Anthea Ong asked whether the govt is going to make an apology to the foreign workers. My view, if the govt is stupid enough to do so, it would become an admission of incompetence, mishandling and/or negligence and this could be used as justification for India to demand for compensation.

Would stupidity has no cure rule the day?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LKY's ideal Singapore population is about 5.5m according to Hsien Yang
Below article appeared in TOC.

On Tuesday (28 July), Mr Lee Hsien Yang (LHY), younger son of Singapore’s founding Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew (LKY), took to his Facebook to share an article published by The Straits Times (ST) in 2008, in which Mr LKY clearly voiced his reservations on having a population of 6.5 million for Singapore....

“MINISTER Mentor Lee Kuan Yew ‘has not quite been sold’ on the idea of a 6.5 million population size in Singapore. Instead, he projects for Singapore an optimum size of five to 5.5 million for Singapore,” the article read.

In 2007, the Government announced that it was planning to increase the country’s population to 6.5 million in 40 to 50 years down the road, which is an up from the current 4.5 million in 2008. This then sparked concerns about overcrowding, the article said.

It was reported in the ST article that Mr LKY said this while speaking at think-tank Institute of Policy Studies’ conference in 2008 which discussed what Singapore will look like in 2030. Some of the other issues spoken at the conference include “how the economy should evolve, cultural trends, and the Singapore identity”.

The article also highlighted that the moderator at the conference, Tommy Koh, asked if Singapore is guilty of overbuilding.

To this, Mr LKY said that Singapore should not follow the footsteps of Hong Kong where it is “just solid buildings, one blocking the sunlight of the other”.

“We are building on freehold and we are owners, we are sovereign. Therefore, my projection would be for somewhere around five to 5.5 million,” Mr LKY was quoted saying in the ST article.

It added, “Coupled with further reclamation, Singapore can then retain its space, the greenery, and ‘the sense of not being crammed, our parks, our connectors, our park connectors, birds, trees, water, canals into streams and so on’.”

Mr LKY also stressed then that having all the above-mentioned elements is how Singapore can be unique.


Now who is pushing for Singapore to have more than 5.5m against the vision of LKY? Who is trying to clear our greenery to be replaced with concrete like Hong Kong?
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